[NetBehaviour] #rojava
helen varley jamieson
helen at creative-catalyst.com
Mon Feb 1 13:43:50 CET 2016
very interesting!
On 26/01/16 4:08 14PM, Annie Abrahams wrote:
> http://onlineopen.org/inside-hell-we-build-paradise?utm_source=Newsletter+Open!&utm_campaign=729b62c695-Open_31_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_2487a747f3-729b62c695-95978185
> <http://onlineopen.org/inside-hell-we-build-paradise?utm_source=Newsletter+Open%21&utm_campaign=729b62c695-Open_31_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_2487a747f3-729b62c695-95978185>
>
> 'The New World Summit is an artistic and political organization
> founded by visual artist Jonas Staal, dedicated to providing
> ‘alternative parliaments’ hosting organizations that currently find
> themselves excluded from democracy. The fifth summit (part 1) took
> place in Rojava, Syria, in October 2015. Brigitte van der Sande was
> part of a delegation that was invited to participate.'
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com
> <mailto:agora158 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Totally share it! The mag Cointerpunch ran an article with a
> discussion in other list about if torture works or not I don't
> have the link longer but do a Google search with Ana Valdés
> Counterpunch and you find the article.
> They used my answer and my own life story as reference
> Cheers
> Ana
>
> Thanks Ana, o valueble to hear your thoughts
>
> but occupation is the same case here, or statelessness, the kurds
> have no state, no rights
>
> I was always a hard core pacifist, my father was an East German
> army officer and i was terrified of overflying war planes and I am
> absolute against war & violence, post Hitler-Soviet schooled, and
> I am still very much a hard core pacifist now, pro diplomatic,
> justice, women involvement in solutions, education etc
>
> but if we make exceptions like the palestinian one, and I agree
> their case is very difficult
> the same counts for Kurds which are victim to terrible oppression ?
>
> if a women chooses to fight for an independet cause, not for an
> imperialistic state (like israel maybe)
> but to defend her very right to exist ?
>
> i want to add 2 links, one is even american reporting, but good in
> this case
>
> good link by women on women
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo>
>
> summary
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ>
>
> thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, i would like to ask
> permission to share this with another mailing list called female
> pressure, we are musicians and media people, and discussing a
> solidarity campaign righ now
>
> is it ok ?
> thanks
>
>
>
> > On 14 Dec 2015, at 16:30, Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com
> <mailto:agora158 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Dear thanks for your answer. When I was much younger I believed
> in “just wars” and was jailed four years for belonging to the
> Tupamaros guerilla, you must know about it since Baader-Meinhof
> had Tupamaros as inspiration 😊
> > It was an armed gerilla and to my disclaim I can say today I
> was only 19 years old, new examinated from a very stern German
> nun’s school I had a highly romantized image of Che Guevara as
> icon and etc etc
> > Today I am a stern pacifist and the only resistance I understand
> its the Palestinian because they are occupied for a foreign power
> and they have right to fight for their land.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ana
> >
> >
> > De: AG Forever
> > Enviado: lunes, 14 de diciembre de 2015 5:42
> > Para: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> > Asunto: Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava
> >
> > Hi Ana, I always thought like that, I remember how my country /
> East Germany didn't last cause the reason to control people with
> violence in one place is not lasting....
> >
> > This is an interesting article although half a year old, and the
> comments confuse me very much re FGM.
> >
> https://www.opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening/evangelos-aretaios/rojava-revolution
> >
> > I would in any moment agree with you but if you can't even hold
> a territory and your choice is sex slave or combat fighter, I know
> what I would choose... ?
> >
> > But then there is their revolution. There intentions, their goals..
> >
> >
> > "In the wider Middle East since the nineteenth century and
> before that, the female body is one of the most important symbolic
> battlegrounds between modernizers and reactionaries. Today, here
> in Syria, this fight is to death.
> > “The gangs of Daesh want the woman to be a slave. They don’t
> consider us as human beings but only as objects to serve men and
> to satisfy his specific needs. They ostentatiously sell women as
> slaves as if they were animals”. The girl I speak with is Nupelda,
> 20 years old and serves in a mobile company of the Women’s
> Protection Units (YPJ) on the front line. This is the army of
> women in the autonomous administration of Rojava, fighting side by
> side with men in the YPG. Both forces are under the control and
> command of PYD. Nupelda has been fighting for two years now."
> >
> > I am thinking how to call for solidarity for Rojava revolution
> and eventually lift of PKK ban in EU...
> >
> > just thoughts...
> >
> > *********
> > AGF: @poemproducer / .com
> > in order: antyegreie.com <http://antyegreie.com>
> >
> >
> > On 9 Dec 2015, at 01:59, Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com
> <mailto:agora158 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I was as many of you know at the conference of Women in Black in
> India. Women from Afghanistan Congo Bosnia and Armenia shared with
> us dark stories of rape forced marriages and impunity we need to
> strengthen the civil societies the question is how to achieve it?
> If the changes are made with weapons and soldiers (female or
> male), we are always prisoners of the weapons and wars as metaphors...
> > Ana
> >
> > Den 6 dec 2015 08:11 skrev "AGF poemproducer"
> <agf at poemproducer.com <mailto:agf at poemproducer.com>>:
> > hi,
> >
> > I spent last days reading and studying the kurdish female
> fighters and their efforts to built an independent equal and just
> state in north east syria… i am a pacifist in my deepest structure
> but have been challanged and confused by what is happening there…
> if you need to read up look for hashtags #Rojava
> >
> > any thoughts ?
> >
> > (i find this article a good sum up)
> >
> >
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/11/25/rojava_is_a_radical_experiment_in_democracy_in_northern_syria_american_leftists.html
> >
> > "I recently spoke to someone from the Kurdish women’s movement
> in Rojava and asked what they need most. She said they need a
> massive international solidarity campaign, beginning with
> political education about the evolution of the PKK and its
> politics, including its emphasis on democratic governance,
> anti-sectarianism, secularism, ecology, and women’s liberation. In
> practical terms, they need all possible international pressure to
> be put on Turkey and the KRG to end the embargo and let supplies
> through. They need the terrorist designation to be lifted so they
> can travel and raise money and do public speaking."
> >
> > some more…
> >
> >
> http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/02/remembering-murray-bookchin/<http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/02/remembering-murray-bookchin/>
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Protection_Units<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Protection_Units
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Protection_Units>
> >
> > maybe this is also a good thing/ althought americans all over
> this, but maybe for the right reasons for a change
> >
> https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Presidents_Obama_and_Hollande_Prime_Ministers_Cameron_and_Turnbull_Help_the_Kurds_cut_off_ISILs_route_to_Europe/?wTXkYjb
> >
> > http://thelionsofrojava.com/index.php/join/
> >
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