[NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich
rinus van alebeek
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Tue Jul 26 23:00:32 CEST 2016
Could that be a work of art,
conceptual
to imagine what it would feel like
if the news arrived after two weeks,
with a post boat?
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On 26 July 2016 at 22:15, Johannes Birringer <
Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> I'm afraid i feel more like a coward
> and if everyone who goes on, only for surviving, is a hero
> then the word, too, is utterly meaningless to me. far from heroic,
> I feel demoralized, small, degraded, maybe like many others; and if we are
> privileged
> enough, in some countries or towns or villages, to feel relatively safe,
> to carry on, and thus, as some friends told me tonight after we met for
> soccer practice, to behave "as if nothing happened so not to let terror
> control our life and civil liberties," then what?
> do we carry on to make art, make another piece? go to a workshop, attend a
> symposium,
> read a good review (I just read one about an art work called "Those that
> are near. Those that are far"
> by Walid Raad), carry on?
>
> I guess I tried to precisely point to that hateful liturgy in the poem I
> quoted the other day.
>
> Johannes
>
> ________________________________________
> From: netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org [
> netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Alan Sondheim [
> sondheim at panix.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:52 PM
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich
>
> Yes! I agree, among everyone here.
>
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:
>
> > Dear Alan and dear Johannes and dear Ruth and Marc and so many others
> dear
> > to me. Dear because we share a feeling of despair and frustration but we
> are
> > stubborn enough to believe in beauty, in sharing, in creating...In the
> > middle of the horrors of the Holocaust camps people created, in Rwanda
> poets
> > found time and places to write, in Chile Victor Jara sang at the Stadium
> > before they cut his hands. I truly belive as Albert Camus wrote once we
> are
> > heroes. Not because we make heroic deeds but only for surviving and for
> > coping with the small chores of everydays life.
> > Ana
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > We go on because otherwise one's giving into fear, I'd say
> > "just" giving into fear, and statistically and otherwise one is
> > almost entirely safe, not however in Turkey or other countries
> > where the singularity of the iron fist overshadows all. Turkey
> > is turning into another hell; I don't think (and I'm speaking
> > ignorantly) France for example is. The U.S. remains to be seen
> > of course. But there are other natural disasters, and disasters
> > the result of negligence or stupidity as well. And we can't
> > forget that there are other moments of exaltation; otherwise one
> > is living in a constant state of anger, anguish, depression -
> > and that is unbelievably counter-productive; that's happening,
> > it seems (according to the news) to be happening everywhere in
> > the United States now, fury from the left and right
> > simultaneously, and I fear fury as much as anything; there has
> > to be another way. So the question is NOW - what is to be done?
> > Should we accelerate the violence and rhetoric in a kind of
> > incandescent accelerationism, or should we learn, even at this
> > late stage, to listen to one another? (I admire the work of so
> > many on this list who believe in, open up to, the commons where
> > listening and activism, art and non-art, prevail.)
> >
> > - Alan
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote:
> >
> >
> > apologies. yes, it was loaded, and terror is a word
> > I now dread to hear, day after day, and day after
> > day, and I am sorry i linked something that you had
> > sent us, Alan (not about the historical Johnstown
> > incident, but about your poetic media work with the
> > QRRR and the bridge), with a few lines that I had
> > jotted down from a a Munich poet who recently died.
> > I was trying to ask the question how we go on, what
> > warns us to be fearful or to resist fearfulness for
> > our lives (condemning, perhaps, others or seeking
> > for culprits to blame), to believe in the kind of
> > democracy we cling to or hope to live in if we are
> > fortunate, and what do you do when the tide quickly
> > or gradually turns. I write to friends in Turkey
> > yesterday, who tell me artists and academics have
> > now been forbidden to travel. Just imagine you are
> > told, sorry, you can't lave the country. You climb
> > on a train, and watch out to spot the aggressor who
> > may have a backpack on their shoulders, with a bomb.
> > You stand in line to a rock concert, and the person
> > near you blows himself up. You go to a fastfood
> > restaurant, some one pulls a gun and starts
> > shooting. You dance in a disco, someone starts
> > killing people on the dance floor. You walk on a
> > promenade, somone drives over you in a huge truck.
> > You attend a peaceful pro democracy rally, as folks
> > did in Kabul, and then there is an explosion. I was
> > asking for a counter narrative.
> >
> > regards
> > Johannes Birringer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org
> > [netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org] on behalf of
> > Alan Sondheim [sondheim at panix.com]
> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:58 AM
> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed
> > creativity
> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and
> > counter-Munich
> >
> > "Terror" is already a loaded term and it effaces
> > sometimes what one might
> > want to reveal. We just have different attitudes
> > here. And poverty wasn't
> > the issue in Johnstown at the time. I apologize
> > again, however; the
> > discussion is too loaded for me as well.
> >
> > On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Alan I think life is inclusive and
> > terror in Munich and what happened
> > in Johnstown are not exclusive but
> > includes each other. Poverty and to feel
> > different are the mothers of the terror
> > as well.
> > Ana
> >
> >
> > Den 24 jul 2016 21:41 skrev "Alan
> > Sondheim" <sondheim at panix.com>:
> >
> > First -"Lone wolf" - from the WSJ
> > - "The Phrase Lone Wolf Goes
> > Back Centuries A phrase used to
> > describe the culprit in the
> > Sydney siege stretches centuries
> > back to Native American chiefs,
> > Kipling and Crane."
> >
> > I've heard it all my life.
> >
> > Second - The bridge and what
> > happened at Johnstown is quite
> > different - two books are David J.
> > Beale, Through the Johnstown
> > Flood, and David McCullough, The
> > Johnstown Flood. As I
> > mentioned, I think, a minimum of
> > 2209 people died from drowning,
> > the physical force of buildings
> > bearing down upon them, and
> > fire. The bridge was a retaining
> > wall for debris, buildings,
> > fire, people dead and alive, and
> > animals dead and alive.
> >
> > It seems problematic to me -
> > having been up and down in
> > Johnstown, seeing the poverty
> > there now, and so forth - to
> > immediately have this slip into a
> > dialog about the Olympics and
> > the usual discussions on terror.
> > Johnstown wasn't this; it was
> > also very much about class
> > differences, etc., but it was also
> > about heroic efforts to save
> > thousands and thousands of lives
> > (which involved everything from
> > creating hospitals from scratch
> > to building railroad tracks in a
> > very few days, etc.). It's not
> > that I don't think the other
> > issues and dialogs are important -
> > they're absolutely critical - but
> > the issues are not the same
> > between the two.
> >
> > When I was in Johnstown with
> > Azure, we walked to the damsite
> > (where the dam gave way), where
> > the Little Conemaugh River still
> > flows - and for us and many people
> > there, the issue is the vile
> > pollution from mine runoff - which
> > kills but slower - that's
> > evident everywhere; the River ran
> > bright orange, nothing lived
> > in it at all, and it's part of the
> > watershed.
> >
> > I apologize if I'm overstepping my
> > bounds here, in the
> > discussion; I just feel odd about
> > the slippage into a discourse
> > which seemed to me to efface what
> > happened 5/31/1889 in
> > Johnstown, what's happening there
> > now as well.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Johannes
> > Birringer wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Ana
> >
> > not wanting to engage in
> > ideological fracturings
> > here, to be honest; you must
> > be refering to the
> > passage that my friend from
> > Houston had sent me in
> > the reference to the Olympic
> > Games of 1972, he
> > spotted a sinister irony in
> > the choice of the site;
> > you will recall that the
> > militant group 'Black
> > September' , a palestinian
> > organization, took
> > responsibility for the
> > hostage taking, there is
> > little disputing that, and i
> > had no intention of
> > causing harm with labeling.
> >
> > I was more interested in the
> > perversion of term lone
> > wolf (which was a literary
> > term i think, from
> > Hesse's Steppenwolf). My
> > friend from Texas also
> > pondered the scene he found
> > on the internet captured
> > during the Munich shootings
> > last Friday: "An
> > extraordinary altercation
> > took place between some
> > individuals filming the
> > Munich killer as he wandered
> > around a roof car park which
> > was empty. A fair
> > amount of invective was
> > directed from the group
> > doing the filming at the
> > killer below. His response
> > to this was to repeat, "I am
> > German." A strange
> > response. There is perhaps
> > no easy answer to the
> > question, 'What did he
> > mean?'"
> >
> > maybe you have an answer.
> > regards
> > jb
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From:
> > netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org
> >
> > [netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org]
> > on behalf of
> > Ana Vald?s
> > [agora158 at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016
> > 9:11 PM
> > To: NetBehaviour for
> > networked distributed
> > creativity
> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour]
> > stone bridges, QRRR and
> > counter-Munich
> >
> > Johannes I am always moved
> > by your words. You have
> > such a touching way to paint
> > with words:)
> > When you use the words
> > "Palestinian terrorists" I
> > react. Because I has been in
> > Palestine several times
> > and the only terror I met
> > was that exerced by the
> > Israeli soldiers at the
> > checkpoints making us run
> > from their rubber bullets
> > and from their gas
> > grenades.
> > And many of the old Israeli
> > politicians, as Menachem
> > Begin, Sharon and others
> > were called terrorists by
> > the English when they bombed
> > the King David Hotel
> > killing many civilians and
> > when they killed the
> > envoy from the United
> > Nations Folke Bernadotte.
> > You are born in a country
> > who exerced terror over
> > Europe and Africa killing
> > civilians and executing
> > Jews, homosexuals and
> > dissidents. The English
> > exerced terror over the
> > Boers in South Africa and
> > were the first creating
> > concentration camps.
> > The French called the time
> > between 1791 and 1794 the
> > Regime of the Terror when
> > not only the French
> > aristocracy but also the
> > political dissidents paid
> > with their life their
> > dissent.
> > My point is terror is such
> > an ambiguous word and I
> > think no one should label
> > others with it since
> > terror seems to be inherent
> > to all people and to all
> > cultures.
> >
> > Ana
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 1:56
> > PM, Johannes Birringer
> >
> > <Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk<mailto:
> Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Receiving a note from Alan
> > Sondheim, on the road, he
> > mentions a stone bridge
> > where he
> > created a piece "changing
> > the bridge lighting to
> > produce,
> > sequentially, and on
> > different lighting
> > levels/apparatus, SOS, QRRR,
> > and
> > MAYDAY (QRRR is an old radio
> > code for
> > warning/danger/disaster);
> > this
> > alternative with flame-light
> > images on the bridge
> > side (invisible from the
> > trains that run above it)
> > representing burning
> > crushed buildings and
> > people....."
> >
> > i am not sure why I think of
> > the bridge, but a
> > friend from Texas, after I
> > told him
> > about the chaos in Europe,
> > the shootings, the
> > terror, the military
> > putsches, purges,
> > and the new security
> > measures, the increasingly
> > heated debates on refugees
> > and migration, Islamism,
> > fascism, and violence,
> > well, he noted that the
> > shootings
> > in Munich took place on the
> > site of the former
> > Olympic Park.
> >
> > The Olympia shopping centre
> > is a two-tiered
> > glass-covered mall that was
> > built on the site of the
> > 1972 Olympics.
> > The Munich Games were
> > overshadowed by a terrorist
> > attack in which 11 Israeli
> > sportsmen and a German
> > policeman were
> > killed after being taken
> > hostage by Palestinian
> > terrorists.
> >
> > Now we hear that the
> > shooting last Friday was by a
> > young "lone wolf" (and what
> > exactly do they mean by
> > lone wolf).
> >
> >
> >
> > A Munich-based poet, the
> > late Paul W?hr, once wrote
> > about Die Wirklichkeit unter
> > Beschuss (reality under
> > shooting attack)
> >
> > alles ist doch in Ordnung /
> > es geht weiter /
> > ich glaube /
> > ich glaube es geht weiter /
> > ja des glaub ich schon.
> >
> >
> > (translated)
> >
> > everything's all right, no?
> > /
> > life goes on /
> > I believe /
> > I believe life goes on /
> > yeah, I believe so /
> >
> >
> >
> > that short QRRR, I tend to
> > think, was meant as
> > W?hr's satirical comment on
> > "weltfromme
> > Bekenntnisformeln" , pious
> > liturgies that we tell
> > ourselves, as we must repeat
> > them and murmur them in
> > the face of the all the
> > constant flare ups.
> >
> >
> >
> > Johannes Birringer
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