[NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

rinus van alebeek injapatti at gmail.com
Tue Jul 26 23:00:32 CEST 2016


Could that be a work of art,
conceptual
to imagine what it would feel like
if the news arrived after two weeks,
with a post boat?

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On 26 July 2016 at 22:15, Johannes Birringer <
Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk> wrote:

>
> I'm afraid i feel more like a coward
> and if everyone who goes on, only for surviving, is a hero
> then the word, too, is utterly meaningless to me. far from heroic,
> I feel demoralized, small, degraded, maybe like many others; and if we are
> privileged
> enough, in some countries or towns or villages, to feel relatively safe,
> to carry on, and thus, as some friends told me tonight after we met for
> soccer practice, to behave "as if nothing happened so not to let terror
> control our life and civil liberties,"  then what?
> do we carry on to make art, make another piece? go to a workshop, attend a
> symposium,
> read a good review (I just read one about an art work called "Those that
> are near. Those that are far"
> by Walid Raad), carry on?
>
> I guess I tried to precisely point to that hateful liturgy in the poem I
> quoted the other day.
>
> Johannes
>
> ________________________________________
> From: netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org [
> netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Alan Sondheim [
> sondheim at panix.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:52 PM
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich
>
> Yes! I agree, among everyone here.
>
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:
>
> > Dear Alan and dear Johannes and dear Ruth and Marc and so many others
> dear
> > to me. Dear because we share a feeling of despair and frustration but we
> are
> > stubborn enough to believe in beauty, in sharing, in creating...In the
> > middle of the horrors of the Holocaust camps people created, in Rwanda
> poets
> > found time and places to write, in Chile Victor Jara sang at the Stadium
> > before they cut his hands. I truly belive as Albert Camus wrote once we
> are
> > heroes. Not because we make heroic deeds but only for surviving and for
> > coping with the small chores of everydays life.
> > Ana
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >       We go on because otherwise one's giving into fear, I'd say
> >       "just" giving into fear, and statistically and otherwise one is
> >       almost entirely safe, not however in Turkey or other countries
> >       where the singularity of the iron fist overshadows all. Turkey
> >       is turning into another hell; I don't think (and I'm speaking
> >       ignorantly) France for example is. The U.S. remains to be seen
> >       of course. But there are other natural disasters, and disasters
> >       the result of negligence or stupidity as well. And we can't
> >       forget that there are other moments of exaltation; otherwise one
> >       is living in a constant state of anger, anguish, depression -
> >       and that is unbelievably counter-productive; that's happening,
> >       it seems (according to the news) to be happening everywhere in
> >       the United States now, fury from the left and right
> >       simultaneously, and I fear fury as much as anything; there has
> >       to be another way. So the question is NOW - what is to be done?
> >       Should we accelerate the violence and rhetoric in a kind of
> >       incandescent accelerationism, or should we learn, even at this
> >       late stage, to listen to one another? (I admire the work of so
> >       many on this list who believe in, open up to, the commons where
> >       listening and activism, art and non-art, prevail.)
> >
> >       - Alan
> >
> >
> >       On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote:
> >
> >
> >             apologies. yes, it was loaded, and terror is a word
> >             I now dread to hear, day after day, and day after
> >             day, and I am sorry i linked something that you had
> >             sent us, Alan (not about the historical Johnstown
> >             incident, but about your poetic media work with the
> >             QRRR and the bridge), with a few lines that I had
> >             jotted down from a a Munich poet who recently died.
> >             I was trying to ask the question how we go on, what
> >             warns us to be fearful or to resist fearfulness for
> >             our lives (condemning, perhaps, others or seeking
> >             for culprits to blame), to believe in the kind of
> >             democracy we cling to or hope to live in if we are
> >             fortunate, and what do you do when the tide quickly
> >             or gradually turns. I write to friends in Turkey
> >             yesterday, who tell me artists and academics have
> >             now been forbidden to travel. Just imagine you are
> >             told, sorry, you can't lave the country. You climb
> >             on a train, and watch out to spot the aggressor who
> >             may have a backpack on their shoulders, with a bomb.
> >             You stand in line to a rock concert, and the person
> >             near you blows himself up. You go to a fastfood
> >             restaurant, some one pulls a gun and starts
> >             shooting. You dance in a disco, someone starts
> >             killing people on the dance floor. You walk on a
> >             promenade, somone drives over you in a huge truck.
> >             You attend a peaceful pro democracy rally, as folks
> >             did in Kabul, and then there is an explosion. I was
> >             asking for a counter narrative.
> >
> >             regards
> >             Johannes Birringer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >             ________________________________________
> >             From: netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org
> >             [netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org] on behalf of
> >             Alan Sondheim [sondheim at panix.com]
> >             Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:58 AM
> >             To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed
> >             creativity
> >             Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and
> >             counter-Munich
> >
> >             "Terror" is already a loaded term and it effaces
> >             sometimes what one might
> >             want to reveal. We just have different attitudes
> >             here. And poverty wasn't
> >             the issue in Johnstown at the time. I apologize
> >             again, however; the
> >             discussion is too loaded for me as well.
> >
> >             On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:
> >
> >
> >                   Dear Alan I think life is inclusive and
> >                   terror in Munich and what happened
> >                   in Johnstown are not exclusive but
> >                   includes each other. Poverty and to feel
> >                   different are the mothers of the terror
> >                   as well.
> >                   Ana
> >
> >
> >                   Den 24 jul 2016 21:41 skrev "Alan
> >                   Sondheim" <sondheim at panix.com>:
> >
> >                         First -"Lone wolf" - from the WSJ
> >                   - "The Phrase Lone Wolf Goes
> >                         Back Centuries A phrase used to
> >                   describe the culprit in the
> >                         Sydney siege stretches centuries
> >                   back to Native American chiefs,
> >                         Kipling and Crane."
> >
> >                         I've heard it all my life.
> >
> >                         Second - The bridge and what
> >                   happened at Johnstown is quite
> >                         different - two books are David J.
> >                   Beale, Through the Johnstown
> >                         Flood, and David McCullough, The
> >                   Johnstown Flood. As I
> >                         mentioned, I think, a minimum of
> >                   2209 people died from drowning,
> >                         the physical force of buildings
> >                   bearing down upon them, and
> >                         fire. The bridge was a retaining
> >                   wall for debris, buildings,
> >                         fire, people dead and alive, and
> >                   animals dead and alive.
> >
> >                         It seems problematic to me -
> >                   having been up and down in
> >                         Johnstown, seeing the poverty
> >                   there now, and so forth - to
> >                         immediately have this slip into a
> >                   dialog about the Olympics and
> >                         the usual discussions on terror.
> >                   Johnstown wasn't this; it was
> >                         also very much about class
> >                   differences, etc., but it was also
> >                         about heroic efforts to save
> >                   thousands and thousands of lives
> >                         (which involved everything from
> >                   creating hospitals from scratch
> >                         to building railroad tracks in a
> >                   very few days, etc.). It's not
> >                         that I don't think the other
> >                   issues and dialogs are important -
> >                         they're absolutely critical - but
> >                   the issues are not the same
> >                         between the two.
> >
> >                         When I was in Johnstown with
> >                   Azure, we walked to the damsite
> >                         (where the dam gave way), where
> >                   the Little Conemaugh River still
> >                         flows - and for us and many people
> >                   there, the issue is the vile
> >                         pollution from mine runoff - which
> >                   kills but slower - that's
> >                         evident everywhere; the River ran
> >                   bright orange, nothing lived
> >                         in it at all, and it's part of the
> >                   watershed.
> >
> >                         I apologize if I'm overstepping my
> >                   bounds here, in the
> >                         discussion; I just feel odd about
> >                   the slippage into a discourse
> >                         which seemed to me to efface what
> >                   happened 5/31/1889 in
> >                         Johnstown, what's happening there
> >                   now as well.
> >
> >                         Alan
> >
> >                         On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Johannes
> >                   Birringer wrote:
> >
> >
> >                               Dear Ana
> >
> >                               not wanting to engage in
> >                   ideological fracturings
> >                               here, to be honest; you must
> >                   be refering to the
> >                               passage that my friend from
> >                   Houston had sent me in
> >                               the reference to the Olympic
> >                   Games of 1972, he
> >                               spotted a sinister irony in
> >                   the choice of the site;
> >                               you will recall that the
> >                   militant group 'Black
> >                               September' , a palestinian
> >                   organization, took
> >                               responsibility for the
> >                   hostage taking, there is
> >                               little disputing that, and i
> >                   had no intention of
> >                               causing harm with labeling.
> >
> >                               I was more interested in the
> >                   perversion of term lone
> >                               wolf (which was a literary
> >                   term i think, from
> >                               Hesse's Steppenwolf). My
> >                   friend from Texas also
> >                               pondered the scene he found
> >                   on the internet captured
> >                               during the Munich shootings
> >                   last Friday: "An
> >                               extraordinary altercation
> >                   took place between some
> >                               individuals filming the
> >                   Munich killer as he wandered
> >                               around a roof car park which
> >                   was empty. A fair
> >                               amount of invective was
> >                   directed from the group
> >                               doing the filming at the
> >                   killer below. His response
> >                               to this was to repeat, "I am
> >                   German." A strange
> >                               response. There is perhaps
> >                   no easy answer to the
> >                               question, 'What did he
> >                   mean?'"
> >
> >                               maybe you have an answer.
> >                               regards
> >                               jb
> >
> >
> >
> >                   ________________________________________
> >                               From:
> >                   netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org
> >
> >                   [netbehaviour-bounces at netbehaviour.org]
> >                   on behalf of
> >                               Ana Vald?s
> >                   [agora158 at gmail.com]
> >                               Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016
> >                   9:11 PM
> >                               To: NetBehaviour for
> >                   networked distributed
> >                               creativity
> >                               Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour]
> >                   stone bridges, QRRR and
> >                               counter-Munich
> >
> >                               Johannes I am always moved
> >                   by your words. You have
> >                               such a touching way to paint
> >                   with words:)
> >                               When you use the words
> >                   "Palestinian terrorists" I
> >                               react. Because I has been in
> >                   Palestine several times
> >                               and the only terror I met
> >                   was that exerced by the
> >                               Israeli soldiers at the
> >                   checkpoints making us run
> >                               from their rubber bullets
> >                   and from their gas
> >                               grenades.
> >                               And many of the old Israeli
> >                   politicians, as Menachem
> >                               Begin, Sharon and others
> >                   were called terrorists by
> >                               the English when they bombed
> >                   the King David Hotel
> >                               killing many civilians and
> >                   when they killed the
> >                               envoy from the United
> >                   Nations Folke Bernadotte.
> >                               You are born in a country
> >                   who exerced terror over
> >                               Europe and Africa killing
> >                   civilians and executing
> >                               Jews, homosexuals and
> >                   dissidents. The English
> >                               exerced terror over the
> >                   Boers in South Africa and
> >                               were the first creating
> >                   concentration camps.
> >                               The French called the time
> >                   between 1791 and 1794 the
> >                               Regime of the Terror when
> >                   not only the French
> >                               aristocracy but also the
> >                   political dissidents paid
> >                               with their life their
> >                   dissent.
> >                               My point is terror is such
> >                   an ambiguous word and I
> >                               think no one should label
> >                   others with it since
> >                               terror seems to be inherent
> >                   to all people and to all
> >                               cultures.
> >
> >                               Ana
> >
> >                               On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 1:56
> >                   PM, Johannes Birringer
> >
> >                   <Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk<mailto:
> Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk>>
> >                               wrote:
> >
> >
> >                               Receiving a note from Alan
> >                   Sondheim, on the road, he
> >                               mentions a stone bridge
> >                   where he
> >                               created a piece "changing
> >                   the bridge lighting to
> >                               produce,
> >                               sequentially, and on
> >                   different lighting
> >                               levels/apparatus, SOS, QRRR,
> >                   and
> >                               MAYDAY (QRRR is an old radio
> >                   code for
> >                               warning/danger/disaster);
> >                   this
> >                               alternative with flame-light
> >                   images on the bridge
> >                               side (invisible from the
> >                               trains that run above it)
> >                   representing burning
> >                               crushed buildings and
> >                               people....."
> >
> >                               i am not sure why I think of
> >                   the bridge, but a
> >                               friend from Texas, after I
> >                   told him
> >                               about the chaos in Europe,
> >                   the shootings, the
> >                               terror, the military
> >                   putsches, purges,
> >                               and the new security
> >                   measures, the increasingly
> >                               heated debates on refugees
> >                               and migration, Islamism,
> >                   fascism, and violence,
> >                               well, he noted that the
> >                   shootings
> >                               in Munich took place on the
> >                   site of the former
> >                               Olympic Park.
> >
> >                               The Olympia shopping centre
> >                   is a two-tiered
> >                               glass-covered mall that was
> >                   built on the site of the
> >                               1972 Olympics.
> >                               The Munich Games were
> >                   overshadowed by a terrorist
> >                               attack in which 11 Israeli
> >                   sportsmen and a German
> >                               policeman were
> >                               killed after being taken
> >                   hostage by Palestinian
> >                               terrorists.
> >
> >                               Now we hear that the
> >                   shooting last Friday was by a
> >                               young "lone wolf" (and what
> >                   exactly do they mean by
> >                               lone wolf).
> >
> >
> >
> >                               A Munich-based poet, the
> >                   late Paul W?hr, once wrote
> >                               about Die Wirklichkeit unter
> >                   Beschuss (reality under
> >                               shooting attack)
> >
> >                               alles ist doch in Ordnung /
> >                               es geht weiter /
> >                               ich glaube /
> >                               ich glaube es geht weiter /
> >                               ja des glaub ich schon.
> >
> >
> >                               (translated)
> >
> >                               everything's all right, no?
> >                   /
> >                               life goes on /
> >                               I believe /
> >                               I believe life goes on /
> >                               yeah, I believe so /
> >
> >
> >
> >                               that short QRRR, I tend to
> >                   think, was meant as
> >                               W?hr's satirical comment on
> >                   "weltfromme
> >                               Bekenntnisformeln" ,  pious
> >                   liturgies that we tell
> >                               ourselves, as we must repeat
> >                   them and murmur them in
> >                               the face of the all the
> >                   constant flare ups.
> >
> >
> >
> >                               Johannes Birringer
> >                               c/o Interaktionslabor
> >                   G?ttelborn
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