[NetBehaviour] begging technology?
helen varley jamieson
helen at creative-catalyst.com
Wed Jun 21 16:11:27 CEST 2017
all good questions. in germany, as i understand it, the law has recently
been changed to make it the right of everyone, regardless of whether or
not they have an address, to have a bank account. on the surface this
sounds like a good thing (especially for artists & others who move
around & sometimes need to open an account somewhere just to get paid
once, i've had to do this before) but it's really about getting everyone
into the system; tracking & controlling. if you are an undocumented
person, not having an address won't be the only barrier to getting a
bank account, & if the only way you can beg is digitally, then you're
On 21.06.2017 13:34, Institute of Network Cultures wrote:
> very disturbing indeed. As far as I know the Amsterdam example is
> still a prototype - surrounded by the usual techno-euphoria. It is
> funded by ABN Amro bank and designed by N=5 studio.
> who owns the infrastructure?
> who pays for the upkeep?
> how will bank accounts (address needed) and the costs related to this
> be supplied?
> who will capitalise on this new 'disruptive tech’ and who will suffer
> the tightening margins?
> will the money earned be free to use on whatever the homeless person
> wants, or limited to bed/food?
> will the poor be stripped of agency and generally punished for being poor?
> etc etc
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>> On 21 Jun 2017, at 13:09, helen varley jamieson
>> <helen at creative-catalyst.com <mailto:helen at creative-catalyst.com>> wrote:
>> it's happened already:
>> i find this all very disturbing; the push for the digitisation of ALL
>> transactions is being driven by banks & IT companies, who stand to
>> make huge profits from it, & governments who will gain incredibly
>> fine-grained information about minute details of our lives - from
>> where we drank a coffee & with whom to, well, everything that we
>> spend money on. the situation in india last year when the government
>> abruptly withdrew 500 & 1000 rupee notes from circulation - which
>> massively dissadvantaged poor rural people - was more about forced
>> digitisation than about dealing with the black market. the black
>> market is of course already flourishing in the digital world.
>> living in germany, i've observed that german people are more attached
>> to cash than for example british or new zealanders. there is a
>> respect for cash & a distrust of having everything so documented &
>> trackable. so there is some resistance to it here.
>> some of us UpStagers are working now on a new performance called
>> "Cash Flow" that is looking at this move to digitisation & what it
>> means. what we lose from not having cash, what we gain, what we
>> should be aware/wary of in this massive shift to how we as
>> individuals live and exchange with one another.
>> h : )
>> On 21.06.2017 10:54, aharon wrote:
>>> Here's a quick question..
>>> Once we get used to not using paper and coin oriented money.. Once the cards and mobile paying methods will be the only way for payments -
>>> how do we give for people begging in the streets? Or performing begging in the streets? Or just singing in the rainy streets for some numerical exchange?
>>> Will beggars have to have a card reading device?
>>> Will they have to pay commissions to visa and such?
>>> Will street begging become not just an outcome of capitalist occupation but also another way for capitalism to squeeze and monopolise capital out of societies?
>>> Maybe we could have a begging robot that could be rented out for people in need..?
>>> Have fun!
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