[NetBehaviour] linux laptops

helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com
Mon May 29 14:47:48 CEST 2017


well, the price is more like what it really should cost to make a phone
- if the people making it are paid properly and not exploited.

so if you believe that people should be paid properly, & have good
working conditions, then you should be prepared to pay this and more for
phones & other technology.

you also get good service - humans respond promptly to enquiries, there
is a good online support forum, & you can send your phone back for safe
recycling when you've finished with it.

really, the price is very reasonable!

h : )


On 27.05.2017 13:50, aharon wrote:
> Thanks Helen, didn't know of lineageos.org. will try the os..
> Fairphone.. yes.. I wonder about the price.. out of my range, but is
> this difference in price the kind of number, in pounds, euros and
> other currencies - of a person's mobile-linked freedom?
> the price to pay for not working for google's fame and fortune?
>
> cheers!
>
> aharon
> xx
>
> May 24 2017 1:07 PM, "helen varley jamieson"
> <helen at creative-catalyst.com
> <mailto:%22helen%20varley%20jamieson%22%20%3Chelen at creative-catalyst.com%3E>>
> wrote:
>
>     i don't know about all mobile devices, but fairphone has a forum
>     of alternative operating systems:
>     https://forum.fairphone.com/c/software/alternative-oses
>
>     (i don't have actual experience of any of them, i'm just using the
>     standard fairphone kola nut OS)
>
>     h : )
>
>      
>     On 23.05.2017 23:22, x wrote:
>      
>>
>>     oh.. operating systems..
>>     just had over a month of being on road and having to keep
>>     technologically cheap yet light..
>>     hence still suffering android..
>>
>>     am i missing something or there is a complete and utter absence
>>     of quality free operating system for mobile devices?
>>
>>     rant apart 😃 if people need a light, Graphical and upto date os
>>     for an old netbook laptop etc
>>     maybe check puppylinux,?
>>     you can get, in a sense, latest ubuntu or slackware running on an
>>     old or new netbook
>>     without habing to deal with the commandline bits..
>>
>>     ciao from brasilia.
>>     aharon
>>     xxx
>>
>>     --
>>     Sent from myMail for Android
>>
>>     Monday, 22 May 2017, 10:22pm -03:00 from Alan Sondheim
>>     sondheim at panix.com <mailto:sondheim at panix.com>:
>>
>>
>>      
>>
>>
>>         It installed quickly for me. I think there's a way to get a
>>         graphic os on
>>         it but I haven't tried. Used to use Cygwin and still have it!
>>
>>         - Alan
>>
>>         On Tue, 23 May 2017, James Morris wrote:
>>          
>>         > It's only really the command line tools (which is still a
>>         lot!).
>>         >
>>         > I got quite excited about it at work where I'm using a few
>>         BASH scripts with
>>         > Cygwin on a regular basis. Unfortunately the Windows 10
>>         Anniversary update
>>         > which contains the Linux tools consistently fails to
>>         install - and takes 3/4
>>         > hour to not install :-(
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > On 22/05/17 23:40, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>>         >>
>>         >> Fwiw, one thing worth noting - for those who are using
>>         limited memory (like
>>         >> my netbook), Midori's an excellent browser -
>>         >> Also wanted to mention that you can open up Ubuntu in
>>         Win10 - I have it
>>         >> working there as well. It comes with the OS,
>>         >>
>>         >> - Alan
>>         >>
>>         >> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>>         >>
>>         >>>
>>         >>> thanks alan :)
>>         >>>
>>         >>> i have noticed how much less space the OS needs, & how
>>         quickly everything
>>         >>> runs!
>>         >>>
>>         >>> h : )
>>         >>>
>>         >>>
>>         >>> On 22.05.2017 18:59, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>>         >>>
>>         >>> I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in
>>         fact
>>         >>> I'm on a Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs
>>         >>> fine. One good thing about the OS is that you can install a
>>         >>> different one in maybe 15 minutes, so you can tailor the
>>         linux
>>         >>> distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use linux mint for the most
>>         part,
>>         >>> lots of terminal stuff.
>>         >>>
>>         >>> Good luck with this!
>>         >>>
>>         >>> - Alan
>>         >>>
>>         >>> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>>         >>>
>>         >>>
>>         >>> hi everyone,
>>         >>>
>>         >>> more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for
>>         >>> advice about buying a
>>         >>> linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now
>>         >>> happily working with ubuntu
>>         >>> mate on a no-brand machine :)
>>         >>>
>>         >>> i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand &
>>         >>> B-ware (ex-display)
>>         >>> machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp,
>>         >>> acer, asus, etc etc ... )
>>         >>> & got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables.
>>         >>> nothing was exactly what
>>         >>> i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise.
>>         >>> i had a couple of
>>         >>> things that were definite - not bigger than 14",
>>         >>> must have ethernet port,
>>         >>> prefereably separate audio in & out; so that
>>         >>> narrowed things down quite a
>>         >>> bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt
>>         >>> right.
>>         >>>
>>         >>> then i found a uk company that sells no-brand
>>         >>> laptops with linux
>>         >>> pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could
>>         >>> choose the hard drive,
>>         >>> RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after
>>         >>> i ordered it. i took it
>>         >>> out of the box, turned it on, & started using it.
>>         >>> the trickiest thing i've
>>         >>> had to do so far was use the command line to get it
>>         >>> to talk nicely to my
>>         >>> printer - & i managed that without incident.
>>         >>>
>>         >>> i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard
>>         >>> shortcuts - it's easier to take
>>         >>> a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (?),
>>         >>> & there are a couple of
>>         >>> things i still need to work out. & one loss is that
>>         >>> there are no linux
>>         >>> drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a
>>         >>> tethered webcam for now.
>>         >>> but it is soooo much faster than my old mac, & i've
>>         >>> found most of the
>>         >>> software that i need.
>>         >>>
>>         >>> so if anyone else out there is also considering
>>         >>> making the switch to linux,
>>         >>> i say - just do it! :)
>>         >>>
>>         >>> h : )
>>         >>> --
>>         >>> helen varley jamieson
>>         >>> helen at creative-catalyst.com
>>         <mailto:helen at creative-catalyst.com>
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>>         >>> --
>>         >>> helen varley jamieson
>>         >>> helen at creative-catalyst.com
>>         <mailto:helen at creative-catalyst.com>
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