[NetBehaviour] Positive AI
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Wed Jan 17 21:08:55 CET 2018
Alan, as always love your comments.
Lara, I am a programmer that works on Machine Learning, AMA
The term 'AI' has gotten diluted with pop non-sense. People in the industry
call it Machine Learning.
CV Computer Vision, Deep Learning and Big Data Analytics are all forms of
All of them are based on one simple idea, pattern matching.
One could say that even human intelligence is based on pattern matching.
To create an AI, you only need two things, some data and a success
A program like Wekanator will take those two things and insert an AI into
anything, arduino et al
I like the direction your are going. Personal Assistants have been pretty
The movie Her comes to mind.
Most of the times people talk about combining AI and Humans, they are
augmentation. The same way people talk about combining Machines and Humans.
Augmentation with advanced pattern matching, rather than metal. I think
this touches on
your Replacement problem. Every Cyborg must lose a little flesh to
integrate the metal,
and the result is somehow less human than before.
Some artists (Fringeware/Re:Search) have attempted to give chatbots life, a
some kind of self-determination. One artist downloaded all recordings and
Alan Turing into a chatbot- to see if the bot could fool itself into
thinking it was human.
Combining a living AI and a Human, would be a marrage of identities.
Honestly, I think your question comes down to asking, What is a Human?
On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
> Hi Lara, coming to this a bit late. As far as bees go, it's not a
> question, as far as I know of gardening; there are pathogens and
> insecticides involved and what has to happen, has to happen on the level of
> legislation - the same thing with the overall decline in insects around the
> world. For personal AI, there's a lot of research being done in creating
> and working with robotics embedded in small fuzzy 'animals' that tend to
> their owners in a variety of ways; I think they're going to be employed in
> Alzheimer's patients and among people who are lonely in general - as you
> know social media tends towards loneliness among large segments of the
> population. If you look at Tamagotchi, you can see the effect of something,
> with minimal AI, that needs tending to continue functioning - these were
> incredibly popular twenty years ago. They relied on the owner's tending; it
> wasn't reciprocal, except for the feedback that the Tamagotchi was all
> right; with Alzheimer's or nursing homes or anyone bed-ridden, current AI
> animals respond in kind and can look after patients' or owners' needs.
> These are the closest, I think, that one might go at this point - the
> companion AI pets are designed to look like kittens or other animals,
> although there are some that look more traditionally robotic - one
> characteristic they share, I think, is that of cuteness, kawaii, which
> people strongly relate to. This might be more than your project can handle,
> but even a small animal-like shape with a bot in it, run by Adruino or some
> such, might be relevant. In any case, these approaches seem really
> necessary as so many people are struggling for companionship; companion
> animals work well (both for animals and humans) of course, but have limited
> ability to engage in some aspects, and have to always be tended.
> It's interesting, because the AI would be based 'across,' not only the
> programming, but also the container, the shell-image itself, bridging AI
> and animal or human appearance. -
> Hope this is useful,
> Alan -
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 5:59 AM, Lara Stumpf <y at lara-stumpf.de> wrote:
>> Dear NetBehaviour,
>> I am a design and art student and have been working on my graduation
>> project with the topic *Artificial Intelligence*. My approach is
>> creating an AI-something to support an everyday activity. However, I am
>> lost. I have done a lot of research and most of the time I am very
>> critical: A lot of power is given to algorithms and them working with
>> statistics creates a big and dangerous mainstream (like those big data
>> algorithms deciding what we see online), some inventions are dangerous
>> (like self-driving cars) and most of the time inventions could be cool, if
>> we ignored the evil people behind them.
>> But I don’t want to create a critical art object, I want to create
>> positive AI. Something to support us (with a prototype). How could AI
>> support us while *not* replacing us? As Joseph Weizenbaum states, a
>> computer cannot be human; but right now, all those AI developers try to
>> make a human AI happen. I don’t want deep learning algorithms to analyse
>> movies with their trailers and success statistics in order to find *the* solution
>> for *the perfect* trailer in order to replace creativity by mainstream
>> in the future. So, supporting us could work by assisting us… like Siri or
>> Alexa. Maybe I could research an assistant-AI for my graduation
>> presentation? Well, there is hardly anything it could assist me with. I
>> don’t want to have AI help me with my content because I dislike content
>> being build up through statistics. And I want to hold the presentation
>> myself, I don’t want to listen to computers instead of humans. Everything
>> else just feels like small gadgets. But maybe AI might help me by creating
>> ideas? Mixing statistically useful components or, maybe even more
>> interesting, mixing useless components to create new ideas
>> <http://artbot.space> (http://artbot.space/)? Hm…
>> My thoughts go on and on. So, what would happen if I thought about the
>> relationship between AI and us? Or maybe AI could help the relationship
>> between humans? But not just like an app, where people are assigned to each
>> other. I don’t know. Would that even really be AI? Or just boring
>> algorithms? Where would we *really* need *AI*? Maybe in nature, or at
>> least outside, where the surroundings keep changing all the time so we
>> would at least need some kind of AI for orientation?
>> Thinking about nature made me think about bees dying. Maybe AI could help
>> us with the environment if we silly humans don’t do it? Maybe I could
>> create a small robot to drive around and do some guerilla gardening
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_gardening> (https://en.wikipedi
>> a.org/wiki/Guerrilla_gardening), like loosing a few seeds in order to
>> have more flowers in cities. What do you think?
>> Thank you!
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