[NetBehaviour] Goddess of Storms and Alphabets
sondheim at gmail.com
Wed Aug 28 01:42:40 CEST 2019
grammar wasn't invented (except of course for computer and other artificial
languages like Esperanto); it might have been codified after the fact
(Panini's Sanskrit being my favorite example, since his grammar is actually
a form of computer programming at least two thousand years old). And
learning, teaching, or being taught - in various ways every organism does
this. The world is momentary structures that have always already been with
us in a sense -
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 7:39 PM Max Herman via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
> Good point!
> Maybe, "being, unfolding, making explicate
> Grammar on the fly, with no thought yet
> Of learning, teaching, or being taught
> All kin, earliest folk, all groups greater than one
> Since the first cell and first particle"?
> It's a hardscrabble gleaning sometimes;
> More when my leaves are falling like its own!
> *From:* Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:07 PM
> *To:* Max Herman via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
> *Cc:* Max Herman <maxnmherman at hotmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] Goddess of Storms and Alphabets
> love this, only wanted to say that there was always already grammar,
> always already structure to being in the world, not " Early folk creating
> grammar on the fly, far from learning it or being taught it. "
> we were never, none of us in the world, nor animals, nor any, creating
> grammar that way; I remember Heinz von Foerster describing culture
> beginning with negation, even amoeba have culture, have that -
> Best!, Alan
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2019, Max Herman via NetBehaviour wrote:
> > Take a pebble for instance, an item,
> > One of the few and many that can be picked up by hand.
> > Some are like this.
> > Some can also be instruments, sticks or stones, alongside the immovable
> > base-grounds.
> > Hence thou hast compositions, counting, forms, names, phrases, and such.
> > Early folk creating grammar on the fly, far from learning it or being
> > it.
> > What counts the quiet though, the quietus?
> > There can be no count without that, no seeing, not even any hearing.
> > Well the breathing counts it, says the brain.
> > Imagine all paint and no canvas!
> > You lose track of your sons.
> > Were they ever even yours, oh fleet of foot?
> > Wild turkeys cross the streets coolly around here,
> > Up from the Mississippi,
> > And I thank them daily for it.
> > More than one story-set or circle of the world
> > Calls life breath, the one and the all
> > An old-time bellows or mill that moves particles
> > Like Da Vinci drew
> > Each pebble a point and a pointer, if marked,
> > And of course a black square.
> > From: NetBehaviour <netbehaviour-bounces at lists.netbehaviour.org> on
> > of Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 6:11 PM
> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> > <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
> > Subject: [NetBehaviour] Goddess of Storms and Alphabets
> > Goddess of Storms and Alphabets
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> > I'm not sure how language would begin, not sure how language would
> > be recorded as a gesture accompanied by a sound. Sure to be sounds
> > accompanying gestures that hardened, somewhen into a signal or
> > call, somehow a meaning. The sounds were ghostings, heard over the
> > hill around the hill in the forest across the stream behind the
> > rocks above the cliffs within the caves, the gestures were bodies,
> > the bodies were breathing, there were two directions, into the
> > lungs, out from the lungs. There were swirls and whirlwinds and the
> > world breathed and was given body and bodies. It was cool to hear a
> > knowledge from one who was knowing, invisible, elsewhere. There
> > were cries too from the woundings, there were disappearances of
> > familiar voices from leaving and dying which returned in memories
> > and dreams made real with them, the waking in the night, the
> > weeping and ululations. The world was enormous and narrow and all
> > around and the same for many comings and goings for weeks and
> > months at a time, or just a vision around the boulder surface or
> > from the sky when things moved there, as they always did. The world
> > was always different than the world, and always new and old, and
> > always the world. The murmuring of the world was everywhere and
> > everywhen and when that became language and accountancy, everything
> > moved away, quietly, until distance itself became unfathomable,
> > unknown even in its familiarity. Sure to be sounds, sure to be.
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