mclennanfilm at gmail.com
Wed Dec 4 19:19:51 CET 2019
Have to weigh in in this! Grimes. Sorry. Yes — Grimes. Utterly soulless product without anything of cultural value to me, musical or otherwise. This discussion between these three entities makes me yawn.
It’s all about money - absolutely nothing else - it’s the equivalent of Smash powdered potatoes - worse than that.
These people are completely without musical talent - the so-name AI is less than the dirt under the nails of the Ed Blackwell.
Technology is only about generating revenue. It does not help musicians - rap is a festering sore on the ass of the bourgeoisie. An undeniable itch - when scratched and cauterised momentarily it oozes some wealth for a tiny few participants.
Sorry I rarely contribute to this list - and I dig you cats for keeping the stuff rumbling along the conveyor / keep it up and — where’s my Jazzmaster and homemade inks....
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> On 28 Nov 2019, at 18:11, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
> It's definitely a discussion we need to have. It reminds me of a dinner I had years ago w/ Cage who confirmed he criticized jazz because the player worked with fixed rhythms. Something gets lost in these discussions; Adorno fails miserably.
> Ah well... It relates to my writing about 'somatic ghosting' I think. And I always feel I have to justify myself (although the audience doesn't feel it) when I show up playing an acoustic guitar for example. -- Alan
>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 1:06 PM Rob Myers <rob at robmyers.org> wrote:
>> On 2019-11-27 7:40 p.m., Alan Sondheim wrote:
>> >> This sounds so white/privileged to me, the position
>> > of the listener paramount for example, the relegation of community to
>> > reproduction, etc. It's a form of hip effacement. I realize I haven't
>> > read everything HH's has written, but there's a fundamental difference
>> > between a drum machine and a "great drummer" who came from community,
>> > breathes within community, and contributes to community. Thinking for
>> > example of free jazz, and the difficulties and explorations of the great
>> > players, the relation of that music to the cry, the field holler, the
>> > blues, gospel musics, etc.
>> I think HH would agree with you.
>> > and I keep returning to white white white white white and privilege.
>> There is something class-bound about Grimes (currently dating a
>> billionaire) and HH (whose last album was their PhD thesis) arguing
>> about who the future will be worse for. But I suspect that our own
>> reactions can be similarly reduced to our respective identities.
>> There's obviously a bigger historical discussion about race, technology,
>> intellectual property and music that AI and "AI" are just the latest
>> phase of. Drum machines being prominent in rap and techno and disdain
>> for them as tools may be related, for example. Given this, I'm genuinely
>> surprised that AI has been instantly mainstreamed in music in the way
>> that it seems to have. More like the Fairlight than the 808...
>> - Rob.
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