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Rob Myers rob at robmyers.org
Wed Dec 4 22:45:10 CET 2019

Grimes -


I’m a big fan of all three but for very different reasons.

- Rob.

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 1:13 PM, Michael Szpakowski <m at michaelszpakowski.org> wrote:

> Do you mean Grime Simon? I’m unclear. I think there is a big difference between a healthy scepticism and nuanced discussion about how tech can on occasion be ill used and the dismissal of whole swathes of work...
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> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019, 6:36 pm, Simon Mclennan via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>> Have to weigh in in this! Grimes. Sorry. Yes — Grimes. Utterly soulless product without anything of cultural value to me, musical or otherwise. This discussion between these three entities makes me yawn.
>> It’s all about money - absolutely nothing else - it’s the equivalent of Smash powdered potatoes - worse than that.
>> These people are completely without musical talent - the so-name AI is less than the dirt under the nails of the Ed Blackwell.
>> Technology is only about generating revenue. It does not help musicians - rap is a festering sore on the ass of the bourgeoisie. An undeniable itch - when scratched and cauterised momentarily it oozes some wealth for a tiny few participants.
>> Sorry I rarely contribute to this list - and I dig you cats for keeping the stuff rumbling along the conveyor / keep it up and — where’s my Jazzmaster and homemade inks....
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>> On 28 Nov 2019, at 18:11, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>>> It's definitely a discussion we need to have. It reminds me of a dinner I had years ago w/ Cage who confirmed he criticized jazz because the player worked with fixed rhythms. Something gets lost in these discussions; Adorno fails miserably.
>>> Ah well... It relates to my writing about 'somatic ghosting' I think. And I always feel I have to justify myself (although the audience doesn't feel it) when I show up playing an acoustic guitar for example. -- Alan
>>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 1:06 PM Rob Myers <rob at robmyers.org> wrote:
>>>> On 2019-11-27 7:40 p.m., Alan Sondheim wrote:
>>>>>> This sounds so white/privileged to me, the position
>>>>> of the listener paramount for example, the relegation of community to
>>>>> reproduction, etc. It's a form of hip effacement. I realize I haven't
>>>>> read everything HH's has written, but there's a fundamental difference
>>>>> between a drum machine and a "great drummer" who came from community,
>>>>> breathes within community, and contributes to community. Thinking for
>>>>> example of free jazz, and the difficulties and explorations of the great
>>>>> players, the relation of that music to the cry, the field holler, the
>>>>> blues, gospel musics, etc.
>>>> I think HH would agree with you.
>>>>> and I keep returning to white white white white white and privilege.
>>>> There is something class-bound about Grimes (currently dating a
>>>> billionaire) and HH (whose last album was their PhD thesis) arguing
>>>> about who the future will be worse for. But I suspect that our own
>>>> reactions can be similarly reduced to our respective identities.
>>>> There's obviously a bigger historical discussion about race, technology,
>>>> intellectual property and music that AI and "AI" are just the latest
>>>> phase of. Drum machines being prominent in rap and techno and disdain
>>>> for them as tools may be related, for example. Given this, I'm genuinely
>>>> surprised that AI has been instantly mainstreamed in music in the way
>>>> that it seems to have. More like the Fairlight than the 808...
>>>> - Rob.
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