[NetBehaviour] Links

Max Herman maxnmherman at hotmail.com
Thu Nov 28 20:09:51 CET 2019


Good topics about jazz and creative fabric, real individuals.  Makes me want to set up my drum set and start a new band, but my tinnitus is killing me!  :)



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From: NetBehaviour <netbehaviour-bounces at lists.netbehaviour.org> on behalf of Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
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To: Rob Myers <rob at robmyers.org>
Cc: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at gmail.com>; NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Links

It's definitely a discussion we need to have. It reminds me of a dinner I had years ago w/ Cage who confirmed he criticized jazz because the player worked with fixed rhythms. Something gets lost in these discussions; Adorno fails miserably.
Ah well... It relates to my writing about 'somatic ghosting' I think. And I always feel I have to justify myself (although the audience doesn't feel it) when I show up playing an acoustic guitar for example. -- Alan

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 1:06 PM Rob Myers <rob at robmyers.org<mailto:rob at robmyers.org>> wrote:
On 2019-11-27 7:40 p.m., Alan Sondheim wrote:
>> This sounds so white/privileged to me, the position
> of the listener paramount for example, the relegation of community to
> reproduction, etc. It's a form of hip effacement. I realize I haven't
> read everything HH's has written, but there's a fundamental difference
> between a drum machine and a "great drummer" who came from community,
> breathes within community, and contributes to community. Thinking for
> example of free jazz, and the difficulties and explorations of the great
> players, the relation of that music to the cry, the field holler, the
> blues, gospel musics, etc.

I think HH would agree with you.

> and I keep returning to white white white white white and privilege.
There is something class-bound about Grimes (currently dating a
billionaire) and HH (whose last album was their PhD thesis) arguing
about who the future will be worse for. But I suspect that our own
reactions can be similarly reduced to our respective identities.

There's obviously a bigger historical discussion about race, technology,
intellectual property and music that AI and "AI" are just the latest
phase of. Drum machines being prominent in rap and techno and disdain
for them as tools may be related, for example. Given this, I'm genuinely
surprised that AI has been instantly mainstreamed in music in the way
that it seems to have. More like the Fairlight than the 808...

- Rob.


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