[NetBehaviour] Fires in Australia
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Sun Jan 5 16:36:33 CET 2020
Edward money is not enough. The class Bolsonaro support, the core of his
electors, are greedy landowners and they want the WHOLE Amazonian for
They want draw motorways and erase the jungle as they did in Rio and in
other parts. Brasil has other jungle, la Mata Atlántica, once an immense
jungle running along their long coat. Now it’s bare exist taken away for
give place to cities.
For me the puzzle is why people choose them? Morrison or Bolsonaro or Trump
are chosen they can behave as dictators and they can have come to power in
rigged elections as Trump In the US or Bolsonaro in Brasil but they were
El El dom, 5 de ene. de 2020 a la(s) 12:19, Edward Picot via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> escribió:
> As for Bolsonaro, it's my belief, and has been for many years, that if the
> West expects a country like Brazil to preserve rainforests and biodiversity
> on behalf of the whole world, then they have to pay them to do it, and I
> mean serious money. It should be worth more financially to preserve the
> forests and export oxygen for the benefit of the rest of us than to cut
> them down and plant palm oil or create beef farms or whatever. Then there
> wouldn't be any argument.
> Bolsonaro is an arsehole, but wagging a finger at him in the style of
> Macron isn't going to make him budge.
> On 05/01/2020 15:05, Ana Valdés via NetBehaviour wrote:
> Thanks for sharing so important inputs and thoughts! I feel a growing
> frustration about how politicians are handling this issues. In the worst
> draugh a province in Australia sold the common water to a private
> And neither Bolsonaro or Morrison or Trump are acting as leaders in time
> of a crisis. They carry on and on and on not relating fires to capitalism
> and its ways, fracking and mining.
> They despise the knowledge of scientists and of the aboriginal ways to
> live and work they blame the people speaking about climate change.
> I assume many on this list are familiar with Donna Haraway. Her writings
> about the Anthroposcene a new age where we, Mankind, are responsible for
> disasters and ways to live which unsettle Nature and the natural order are
> very important and give advice and explanations.
> El El dom, 5 de ene. de 2020 a la(s) 11:43, Edward Picot via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> escribió:
>> That's really useful information about the donation links and the Adani
>> coal mine. I didn't know about the coal mine before.
>> As for Scott Morrison and his government, I think there's more to it than
>> sheer stupidity. As with Trump and Boris Johnson, there's a right-wing
>> populist agenda at play, which is all about protecting and promoting the
>> interests of big business, but it sustains itself in power by appealing to
>> certain lowest-common-denominator prejudices in the minds of the voting
>> public, and serving up what are basically lies to reinforce its appeal. So
>> Morrison has now moved on from claiming that the link between bushfires and
>> global warming is all in the minds of urban woke greeny loony lefties; he's
>> now claiming that he never denied that link in the first place; but he's
>> also making out that the bushfires are particularly bad because the greeny
>> loony lefties have been blocking bushfire hazard reduction measures in the
>> national parks. This is rejected as nonsense by bushfire experts, but the
>> claim doesn't have to be accurate to make its impact. And that's the
>> problem. Populist politics has found the faultline in modern democracy,
>> where things don't have to be true, or even make sense, to influence voting
>> patterns; they use tactics of misinformation and misdirection as a
>> deliberate policy to sustain themselves in power. And the left/green
>> parties haven't yet found a way to counteract those tactics, or to tap into
>> the huge groundswell of opinion which is undoubtedly building behind
>> environmentalist causes, particularly amongst the young. In countries like
>> the UK young people just take it for granted that something urgently needs
>> to be done about the environment; but they don't have any faith in the
>> political parties to deliver the required changes. So their convictions
>> don't translate into votes. And you can't blame them. The environment
>> hardly featured as an issue in the election we just had.
>> Things are going to change, I'm sure. But how much damage is the planet
>> going to sustain before the changes happen? It's a frightening prospect.
>> On 05/01/2020 13:10, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
>> hi alan,
>> it is truly devastating & catastrophic what is happening in australia, &
>> outrageous that the government there continues to be so fucking stupid. i
>> heard that scott morrison (the prime minister, who chose to have a hawaiian
>> holiday in the midst of it all) would fly out to china to discuss trade
>> negotiations, including coal mining, immediately after meeting with fire
>> chiefs. his inability to make the connections is staggering.
>> i have many family and friends in australia and everyone is affected in
>> some way; some have lost property, everyone is affected by the smoke, my
>> family & friends in new zealand are also seeing and breathing the smoke.
>> yes, an estimated half a billion birds, animals & insects have died. and
>> the fires are still burning, many out of control, and no end in sight. this
>> level of catastrophe has been predicted - but not for another decade;
>> everything is accelerating.
>> what can we do? suzon posted this list of donation links:
>> - there are plenty of places to make financial donations & if you are in
>> australia there are practical things you can do to help.
>> we can write to scott morrison (@scottmorrisonmp on twitter) and other
>> australian politicians, urging them to take the climate emergency seriously
>> (australia is one of the worst countries in the world in terms of climate
>> a related campaign that is well worth supporting is the long struggle
>> against the adani coal mine - is a major fossil-fuel extraction project
>> which will contribute massively to global warming as well as being totally
>> unethical. the queensland government illegally rescinded native title to
>> allow the mine to go ahead, & the wangan & jagalingou indigenous people
>> have been bankrupted trying to stop the mine.
>> it's hard to wish a happy new year in the face of all of this (not to
>> mention the tragic zoo fire in germany, 30 primates killed thanks to
>> someone's carelessness) but i can only hope that the scale of devastation
>> will force politicians to accept that they must act, urgently, and that we
>> will enter into a decade of positive change ...
>> h xx
>> On 03.01.20 20:26, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>> (Apologies for a 2nd post today; I think the situation warrants it. How
>> do we, as a community, respond to this? To the approx. 480m killed? To a
>> Ballard future collapsing around us? How do we stop from harming ourselves,
>> how can we act intelligently with this like this - on top of all the other
>> horrors? Because this is going to spread of course; the ash on NZ glaciers
>> accelerating melt. What do we do? What do we do as a community?)
>> Fires in Australia
>> http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.jpg (map)
>> http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.mp3 (radio)
>> In Pennsylvania, we had house-destroying floods, mine fires,
>> highly polluted air. We went back and explored the area (around
>> Wilkes-Barre/Kingston) last April. I've had my own things
>> destroyed in floods several times, oddly including a storage
>> container in Los Angeles, a closet in Providence, my parents'
>> house in Kingston. But nothing, ever, like this. Reading Ballard,
>> the world's future is spelled out as a scenario for now. Teaching
>> "The Year 3000" back in the early 70s, I was face-to-face with
>> the statistics. I've continue to talk and write and think about
>> this. I was influenced by post-modern geography, and by the
>> collapsed flora of the Carboniferous/Pennsylvanian, which I
>> collected. I grew up negative. I've been following the fires and
>> started interviewing a few people by Skype, people from eastern
>> Australia. I'm trying to make sense of this, trying to find
>> optimism in a situation which I see as the beginning of something
>> problematic, horrifying. (I'll send the interviews out to the
>> lists.) I listened late last night (here) to the radio - a short
>> segment is above. The map gives some indication of locations.
>> There was a report that 480 million animals have died in the
>> fires. It's inconceivable, as is the number.
>> Best, hopefully, Alan
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>> helen at creative-catalyst.com
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