[NetBehaviour] Fires in Australia
Alan Sondheim
sondheim at panix.com
Sun Jan 5 16:50:16 CET 2020
Dictators are an easy sell - look at the building to Nazi Germany. I think
it's almost in our genes, someone, if not religion, who will handle
uncertainty for us. The people who believe in Trump BELIEVE in him; there
are evangelicals who consider him almost a messiah brought by God. The
world's complex; when answer come down to a man (almost always a man), the
focus becomes easy, almost healing. We have to blame ourselves for these
people, as well as blame them - not to mention our brutal consumption of
world resources - our cellphones coming out of slave labor, Amazon
harnassing a lot of people who can't get work elsewhere...
Alan
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020, Ana Vald?s via NetBehaviour wrote:
> Edward money is not enough. The class Bolsonaro support, the core of his
> electors, are greedy landowners and they want the WHOLE Amazonian for
> planting soya.
> They want draw motorways and erase the jungle as they did in Rio and in
> other parts. Brasil has other jungle, la Mata Atl?ntica, once an immense
> jungle running along their long coat. Now it?s bare exist taken away for give
> place to cities.?
> For me the puzzle is why people choose them? Morrison or Bolsonaro or Trump
> are chosen they can behave as dictators and they can have come to power in
> rigged elections as Trump In the US or Bolsonaro in Brasil but they were
> elected.
> Ana?
>
> El El dom, 5 de ene. de 2020 a la(s) 12:19, Edward Picot via NetBehaviour
> <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> escribi?:
> Ana,
>
> As for Bolsonaro, it's my belief, and has been for many years, that if
> the West expects a country like Brazil to preserve rainforests and
> biodiversity on behalf of the whole world, then they have to pay them
> to do it, and I mean serious money. It should be worth more
> financially to preserve the forests and export oxygen for the benefit
> of the rest of us than to cut them down and plant palm oil or create
> beef farms or whatever. Then there wouldn't be any argument.
>
> Bolsonaro is an arsehole, but wagging a finger at him in the style of
> Macron isn't going to make him budge.
>
> Edward
>
> On 05/01/2020 15:05, Ana Vald?s via NetBehaviour wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing so important inputs and thoughts! I feel a
> growing frustration about how politicians are handling this
> issues. In the worst draugh a province in Australia sold the
> common water to a private enterprise.
> And neither Bolsonaro or Morrison or Trump are acting as leaders
> in time of a crisis. They carry on and on and on not relating
> fires to capitalism and its ways, fracking and mining.
> They despise the knowledge of scientists and of the aboriginal
> ways to live and work they blame the people speaking about
> climate change.
> I assume many on this list are familiar with Donna Haraway. Her
> writings about the Anthroposcene a new age where we, Mankind,
> are responsible for disasters and ways to live which unsettle
> Nature and the natural order are very important and give advice
> and explanations.
> Ana?
>
>
> El El dom, 5 de ene. de 2020 a la(s) 11:43, Edward Picot via
> NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> escribi?:
> Helen,
>
> That's really useful information about the donation links
> and the Adani coal mine. I didn't know about the coal mine
> before.
>
> As for Scott Morrison and his government, I think there's
> more to it than sheer stupidity. As with Trump and Boris
> Johnson, there's a right-wing populist agenda at play,
> which is all about protecting and promoting the interests
> of big business, but it sustains itself in power by
> appealing to certain lowest-common-denominator prejudices
> in the minds of the voting public, and serving up what are
> basically lies to reinforce its appeal. So Morrison has
> now moved on from claiming that the link between bushfires
> and global warming is all in the minds of urban woke
> greeny loony lefties; he's now claiming that he never
> denied that link in the first place; but he's also making
> out that the bushfires are particularly bad because the
> greeny loony lefties have been blocking bushfire hazard
> reduction measures in the national parks. This is rejected
> as nonsense by bushfire experts, but the claim doesn't
> have to be accurate to make its impact. And that's the
> problem. Populist politics has found the faultline in
> modern democracy, where things don't have to be true, or
> even make sense, to influence voting patterns; they use
> tactics of misinformation and misdirection as a deliberate
> policy to sustain themselves in power. And the left/green
> parties haven't yet found a way to counteract those
> tactics, or to tap into the huge groundswell of opinion
> which is undoubtedly building behind environmentalist
> causes, particularly amongst the young. In countries like
> the UK young people just take it for granted that
> something urgently needs to be done about the environment;
> but they don't have any faith in the political parties to
> deliver the required changes. So their convictions don't
> translate into votes. And you can't blame them. The
> environment hardly featured as an issue in the election we
> just had.
>
> Things are going to change, I'm sure. But how much damage
> is the planet going to sustain before the changes happen?
> It's a frightening prospect.
>
> Edward
>
>
> On 05/01/2020 13:10, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
>
> hi alan,
>
> it is truly devastating & catastrophic what is
> happening in australia, & outrageous that the
> government there continues to be so fucking
> stupid. i heard that scott morrison (the prime
> minister, who chose to have a hawaiian holiday
> in the midst of it all) would fly out to china
> to discuss trade negotiations, including coal
> mining, immediately after meeting with fire
> chiefs. his inability to make the connections
> is staggering.
>
> i have many family and friends in australia
> and everyone is affected in some way; some
> have lost property, everyone is affected by
> the smoke, my family & friends in new zealand
> are also seeing and breathing the smoke. yes,
> an estimated half a billion birds, animals &
> insects have died. and the fires are still
> burning, many out of control, and no end in
> sight. this level of catastrophe has been
> predicted - but not for another decade;
> everything is accelerating.
>
> what can we do? suzon posted this list of
> donation links:https://www.abc.net.au/classic/read-and-watch/news/bushfire-donations/11823
> 676 - there are plenty of places to make
> financial donations & if you are in australia
> there are practical things you can do to help.
>
> we can write to scott morrison
> (@scottmorrisonmp on twitter) and other
> australian politicians, urging them to take
> the climate emergency seriously (australia is
> one of the worst countries in the world in
> terms of climate policy:https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-climate-change-policy-ranked-57-out
> -of-61-countries)
>
> a related campaign that is well worth
> supporting is the long struggle against the
> adani coal mine - is a major fossil-fuel
> extraction project which will contribute
> massively to global warming as well as being
> totally unethical. the queensland government
> illegally rescinded native title to allow the
> mine to go ahead, & the wangan & jagalingou
> indigenous people have been bankrupted trying
> to stop the mine.
> https://wanganjagalingou.com.au/pledge-to-stand-with-us/
> https://www.acf.org.au/email_siemens_global
>
> it's hard to wish a happy new year in the face
> of all of this (not to mention the tragic zoo
> fire in germany, 30 primates killed thanks to
> someone's carelessness) but i can only hope
> that the scale of devastation will force
> politicians to accept that they must act,
> urgently, and that we will enter into a decade
> of positive change ...
>
> h xx
>
> On 03.01.20 20:26, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>
> (Apologies for a 2nd post today; I think
> the situation warrants it. How do we, as
> a community, respond to this? To the
> approx. 480m killed? To a Ballard future
> collapsing around us? How do we stop
> from harming ourselves, how can we act
> intelligently with this like this - on
> top of all the other horrors? Because
> this is going to spread of course; the
> ash on NZ glaciers accelerating melt.
> What do we do? What do we do as a
> community?)
>
>
> Fires in Australia
>
> http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.jpg
> (map)
> http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.mp3
> (radio)
>
> In Pennsylvania, we had house-destroying
> floods, mine fires,
> highly polluted air. We went back and
> explored the area (around
> Wilkes-Barre/Kingston) last April. I've
> had my own things
> destroyed in floods several times, oddly
> including a storage
> container in Los Angeles, a closet in
> Providence, my parents'
> house in Kingston. But nothing, ever,
> like this. Reading Ballard,
> the world's future is spelled out as a
> scenario for now. Teaching
> "The Year 3000" back in the early 70s, I
> was face-to-face with
> the statistics. I've continue to talk
> and write and think about
> this. I was influenced by post-modern
> geography, and by the
> collapsed flora of the
> Carboniferous/Pennsylvanian, which I
> collected. I grew up negative. I've been
> following the fires and
> started interviewing a few people by
> Skype, people from eastern
> Australia. I'm trying to make sense of
> this, trying to find
> optimism in a situation which I see as
> the beginning of something
> problematic, horrifying. (I'll send the
> interviews out to the
> lists.) I listened late last night
> (here) to the radio - a short
> segment is above. The map gives some
> indication of locations.
>
> There was a report that 480 million
> animals have died in the
> fires. It's inconceivable, as is the
> number.
>
> Best, hopefully, Alan
>
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