[NetBehaviour] fires in Australia

Suzon Fuks suzonfuks at gmail.com
Mon Jan 6 21:48:32 CET 2020


Thanks for all your posts...
Grim here...
Water and air, we all need them. Am in middle of stacks of fabric,
organising a group stitching pouches for burnt wildlife rescue.

There are a few things at the bottom of  the article Helen mentioned that
people can do from overseas:

Raise awareness!
Am adding: share info AND ideas how to reduce our emissions, how to change
drastically our life styles ...we live all on the same planet. Actions NOW!
No time for rhetorics!



   - Sign a Change.org petition calling on the NSW Government to provide
   adequate respiratory equipment to firefighters to protect against harmful
   smoke
   <https://www.change.org/p/gladys-berejiklian-provide-adequate-and-practical-respiratory-protection-for-firefighters-immediately>
   .
   -
   - Run your online searches through Ecosia, <https://info.ecosia.org/> which
   uses profits to plant trees where they're needed most. Trees help reduce
   the carbon dioxide load. It can be added to Chrome.
   -
   - contact elected officials about climate change action --
   - US  https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials
   - Australia
   -
   https://www.aph.gov.au/senators_and_members/guidelines_for_contacting_senators_and_members


Sending love, hugs and best wishes


Suzon


+61439929028

http://suzonfuks.net | http://igneous.org.au | http://wetlandwander.net


I acknowledge the country, culture and traditional custodians of the land
upon I walk, work and live, the Turrbal and Jagera peoples.

It takes 12000 litres of water to make 500 grams of chocolate!

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> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 14:10:28 +0100
> From: Helen Varley Jamieson <helen at creative-catalyst.com>
> To: netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fires in Australia
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> hi alan,
>
> it is truly devastating & catastrophic what is happening in australia, &
> outrageous that the government there continues to be so fucking stupid.
> i heard that scott morrison (the prime minister, who chose to have a
> hawaiian holiday in the midst of it all) would fly out to china to
> discuss trade negotiations, including coal mining, immediately after
> meeting with fire chiefs. his inability to make the connections is
> staggering.
>
> i have many family and friends in australia and everyone is affected in
> some way; some have lost property, everyone is affected by the smoke, my
> family & friends in new zealand are also seeing and breathing the smoke.
> yes, an estimated half a billion birds, animals & insects have died. and
> the fires are still burning, many out of control, and no end in sight.
> this level of catastrophe has been predicted - but not for another
> decade; everything is accelerating.
>
> what can we do? suzon posted this list of donation links:
>
> https://www.abc.net.au/classic/read-and-watch/news/bushfire-donations/11823676
> - there are plenty of places to make financial donations & if you are in
> australia there are practical things you can do to help.
>
> we can write to scott morrison (@scottmorrisonmp on twitter) and other
> australian politicians, urging them to take the climate emergency
> seriously (australia is one of the worst countries in the world in terms
> of climate policy:
>
> https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-climate-change-policy-ranked-57-out-of-61-countries
> )
>
> a related campaign that is well worth supporting is the long struggle
> against the adani coal mine - is a major fossil-fuel extraction project
> which will contribute massively to global warming as well as being
> totally unethical. the queensland government illegally rescinded native
> title to allow the mine to go ahead, & the wangan & jagalingou
> indigenous people have been bankrupted trying to stop the mine.
> https://wanganjagalingou.com.au/pledge-to-stand-with-us/
> https://www.acf.org.au/email_siemens_global
>
> it's hard to wish a happy new year in the face of all of this (not to
> mention the tragic zoo fire in germany, 30 primates killed thanks to
> someone's carelessness) but i can only hope that the scale of
> devastation will force politicians to accept that they must act,
> urgently, and that we will enter into a decade of positive change ...
>
> h xx
>
> On 03.01.20 20:26, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >
> > (Apologies for a 2nd post today; I think the situation warrants it.
> > How do we, as a community, respond to this? To the approx. 480m
> > killed? To a Ballard future collapsing around us? How do we stop from
> > harming ourselves, how can we act intelligently with this like this -
> > on top of all the other horrors? Because this is going to spread of
> > course; the ash on NZ glaciers accelerating melt. What do we do? What
> > do we do as a community?)
> >
> >
> > Fires in Australia
> >
> > http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.jpg (map)
> > http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.mp3 (radio)
> >
> > In Pennsylvania, we had house-destroying floods, mine fires,
> > highly polluted air. We went back and explored the area (around
> > Wilkes-Barre/Kingston) last April. I've had my own things
> > destroyed in floods several times, oddly including a storage
> > container in Los Angeles, a closet in Providence, my parents'
> > house in Kingston. But nothing, ever, like this. Reading Ballard,
> > the world's future is spelled out as a scenario for now. Teaching
> > "The Year 3000" back in the early 70s, I was face-to-face with
> > the statistics. I've continue to talk and write and think about
> > this. I was influenced by post-modern geography, and by the
> > collapsed flora of the Carboniferous/Pennsylvanian, which I
> > collected. I grew up negative. I've been following the fires and
> > started interviewing a few people by Skype, people from eastern
> > Australia. I'm trying to make sense of this, trying to find
> > optimism in a situation which I see as the beginning of something
> > problematic, horrifying. (I'll send the interviews out to the
> > lists.) I listened late last night (here) to the radio - a short
> > segment is above. The map gives some indication of locations.
> >
> > There was a report that 480 million animals have died in the
> > fires. It's inconceivable, as is the number.
> >
> > Best, hopefully, Alan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NetBehaviour mailing list
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>
> helen varley jamieson
>
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> http://www.upstage.org.nz
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> Helen,
>
> That's really useful information about the donation links and the Adani
> coal mine. I didn't know about the coal mine before.
>
> As for Scott Morrison and his government, I think there's more to it
> than sheer stupidity. As with Trump and Boris Johnson, there's a
> right-wing populist agenda at play, which is all about protecting and
> promoting the interests of big business, but it sustains itself in power
> by appealing to certain lowest-common-denominator prejudices in the
> minds of the voting public, and serving up what are basically lies to
> reinforce its appeal. So Morrison has now moved on from claiming that
> the link between bushfires and global warming is all in the minds of
> urban woke greeny loony lefties; he's now claiming that he never denied
> that link in the first place; but he's also making out that the
> bushfires are particularly bad because the greeny loony lefties have
> been blocking bushfire hazard reduction measures in the national parks.
> This is rejected as nonsense by bushfire experts, but the claim doesn't
> have to be accurate to make its impact. And that's the problem. Populist
> politics has found the faultline in modern democracy, where things don't
> have to be true, or even make sense, to influence voting patterns; they
> use tactics of misinformation and misdirection as a deliberate policy to
> sustain themselves in power. And the left/green parties haven't yet
> found a way to counteract those tactics, or to tap into the huge
> groundswell of opinion which is undoubtedly building behind
> environmentalist causes, particularly amongst the young. In countries
> like the UK young people just take it for granted that something
> urgently needs to be done about the environment; but they don't have any
> faith in the political parties to deliver the required changes. So their
> convictions don't translate into votes. And you can't blame them. The
> environment hardly featured as an issue in the election we just had.
>
> Things are going to change, I'm sure. But how much damage is the planet
> going to sustain before the changes happen? It's a frightening prospect.
>
> Edward
>
>
> On 05/01/2020 13:10, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
> >
> > hi alan,
> >
> > it is truly devastating & catastrophic what is happening in australia,
> > & outrageous that the government there continues to be so fucking
> > stupid. i heard that scott morrison (the prime minister, who chose to
> > have a hawaiian holiday in the midst of it all) would fly out to china
> > to discuss trade negotiations, including coal mining, immediately
> > after meeting with fire chiefs. his inability to make the connections
> > is staggering.
> >
> > i have many family and friends in australia and everyone is affected
> > in some way; some have lost property, everyone is affected by the
> > smoke, my family & friends in new zealand are also seeing and
> > breathing the smoke. yes, an estimated half a billion birds, animals &
> > insects have died. and the fires are still burning, many out of
> > control, and no end in sight. this level of catastrophe has been
> > predicted - but not for another decade; everything is accelerating.
> >
> > what can we do? suzon posted this list of donation links:
> >
> https://www.abc.net.au/classic/read-and-watch/news/bushfire-donations/11823676
> > - there are plenty of places to make financial donations & if you are
> > in australia there are practical things you can do to help.
> >
> > we can write to scott morrison (@scottmorrisonmp on twitter) and other
> > australian politicians, urging them to take the climate emergency
> > seriously (australia is one of the worst countries in the world in
> > terms of climate policy:
> >
> https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-climate-change-policy-ranked-57-out-of-61-countries
> )
> >
> > a related campaign that is well worth supporting is the long struggle
> > against the adani coal mine - is a major fossil-fuel extraction
> > project which will contribute massively to global warming as well as
> > being totally unethical. the queensland government illegally rescinded
> > native title to allow the mine to go ahead, & the wangan & jagalingou
> > indigenous people have been bankrupted trying to stop the mine.
> > https://wanganjagalingou.com.au/pledge-to-stand-with-us/
> > https://www.acf.org.au/email_siemens_global
> >
> > it's hard to wish a happy new year in the face of all of this (not to
> > mention the tragic zoo fire in germany, 30 primates killed thanks to
> > someone's carelessness) but i can only hope that the scale of
> > devastation will force politicians to accept that they must act,
> > urgently, and that we will enter into a decade of positive change ...
> >
> > h xx
> >
> > On 03.01.20 20:26, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >>
> >> (Apologies for a 2nd post today; I think the situation warrants it.
> >> How do we, as a community, respond to this? To the approx. 480m
> >> killed? To a Ballard future collapsing around us? How do we stop from
> >> harming ourselves, how can we act intelligently with this like this -
> >> on top of all the other horrors? Because this is going to spread of
> >> course; the ash on NZ glaciers accelerating melt. What do we do? What
> >> do we do as a community?)
> >>
> >>
> >> Fires in Australia
> >>
> >> http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.jpg (map)
> >> http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.mp3 (radio)
> >>
> >> In Pennsylvania, we had house-destroying floods, mine fires,
> >> highly polluted air. We went back and explored the area (around
> >> Wilkes-Barre/Kingston) last April. I've had my own things
> >> destroyed in floods several times, oddly including a storage
> >> container in Los Angeles, a closet in Providence, my parents'
> >> house in Kingston. But nothing, ever, like this. Reading Ballard,
> >> the world's future is spelled out as a scenario for now. Teaching
> >> "The Year 3000" back in the early 70s, I was face-to-face with
> >> the statistics. I've continue to talk and write and think about
> >> this. I was influenced by post-modern geography, and by the
> >> collapsed flora of the Carboniferous/Pennsylvanian, which I
> >> collected. I grew up negative. I've been following the fires and
> >> started interviewing a few people by Skype, people from eastern
> >> Australia. I'm trying to make sense of this, trying to find
> >> optimism in a situation which I see as the beginning of something
> >> problematic, horrifying. (I'll send the interviews out to the
> >> lists.) I listened late last night (here) to the radio - a short
> >> segment is above. The map gives some indication of locations.
> >>
> >> There was a report that 480 million animals have died in the
> >> fires. It's inconceivable, as is the number.
> >>
> >> Best, hopefully, Alan
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NetBehaviour mailing list
> >> NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
> >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
> > --
> >
> > helen varley jamieson
> >
> > helen at creative-catalyst.com <mailto:helen at creative-catalyst.com>
> > http://www.creative-catalyst.com
> > http://www.upstage.org.nz
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> From: Ana Vald?s <agora158 at gmail.com>
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> Thanks for sharing so important inputs and thoughts! I feel a growing
> frustration about how politicians are handling this issues. In the worst
> draugh a province in Australia sold the common water to a private
> enterprise.
> And neither Bolsonaro or Morrison or Trump are acting as leaders in time of
> a crisis. They carry on and on and on not relating fires to capitalism and
> its ways, fracking and mining.
> They despise the knowledge of scientists and of the aboriginal ways to live
> and work they blame the people speaking about climate change.
> I assume many on this list are familiar with Donna Haraway. Her writings
> about the Anthroposcene a new age where we, Mankind, are responsible for
> disasters and ways to live which unsettle Nature and the natural order are
> very important and give advice and explanations.
> Ana
>
>
> El El dom, 5 de ene. de 2020 a la(s) 11:43, Edward Picot via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> escribi?:
>
> > Helen,
> >
> > That's really useful information about the donation links and the Adani
> > coal mine. I didn't know about the coal mine before.
> >
> > As for Scott Morrison and his government, I think there's more to it than
> > sheer stupidity. As with Trump and Boris Johnson, there's a right-wing
> > populist agenda at play, which is all about protecting and promoting the
> > interests of big business, but it sustains itself in power by appealing
> to
> > certain lowest-common-denominator prejudices in the minds of the voting
> > public, and serving up what are basically lies to reinforce its appeal.
> So
> > Morrison has now moved on from claiming that the link between bushfires
> and
> > global warming is all in the minds of urban woke greeny loony lefties;
> he's
> > now claiming that he never denied that link in the first place; but he's
> > also making out that the bushfires are particularly bad because the
> greeny
> > loony lefties have been blocking bushfire hazard reduction measures in
> the
> > national parks. This is rejected as nonsense by bushfire experts, but the
> > claim doesn't have to be accurate to make its impact. And that's the
> > problem. Populist politics has found the faultline in modern democracy,
> > where things don't have to be true, or even make sense, to influence
> voting
> > patterns; they use tactics of misinformation and misdirection as a
> > deliberate policy to sustain themselves in power. And the left/green
> > parties haven't yet found a way to counteract those tactics, or to tap
> into
> > the huge groundswell of opinion which is undoubtedly building behind
> > environmentalist causes, particularly amongst the young. In countries
> like
> > the UK young people just take it for granted that something urgently
> needs
> > to be done about the environment; but they don't have any faith in the
> > political parties to deliver the required changes. So their convictions
> > don't translate into votes. And you can't blame them. The environment
> > hardly featured as an issue in the election we just had.
> >
> > Things are going to change, I'm sure. But how much damage is the planet
> > going to sustain before the changes happen? It's a frightening prospect.
> >
> > Edward
> >
> >
> > On 05/01/2020 13:10, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
> >
> > hi alan,
> >
> > it is truly devastating & catastrophic what is happening in australia, &
> > outrageous that the government there continues to be so fucking stupid. i
> > heard that scott morrison (the prime minister, who chose to have a
> hawaiian
> > holiday in the midst of it all) would fly out to china to discuss trade
> > negotiations, including coal mining, immediately after meeting with fire
> > chiefs. his inability to make the connections is staggering.
> >
> > i have many family and friends in australia and everyone is affected in
> > some way; some have lost property, everyone is affected by the smoke, my
> > family & friends in new zealand are also seeing and breathing the smoke.
> > yes, an estimated half a billion birds, animals & insects have died. and
> > the fires are still burning, many out of control, and no end in sight.
> this
> > level of catastrophe has been predicted - but not for another decade;
> > everything is accelerating.
> >
> > what can we do? suzon posted this list of donation links:
> >
> https://www.abc.net.au/classic/read-and-watch/news/bushfire-donations/11823676
> > - there are plenty of places to make financial donations & if you are in
> > australia there are practical things you can do to help.
> >
> > we can write to scott morrison (@scottmorrisonmp on twitter) and other
> > australian politicians, urging them to take the climate emergency
> seriously
> > (australia is one of the worst countries in the world in terms of climate
> > policy:
> >
> https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-climate-change-policy-ranked-57-out-of-61-countries
> > )
> >
> > a related campaign that is well worth supporting is the long struggle
> > against the adani coal mine - is a major fossil-fuel extraction project
> > which will contribute massively to global warming as well as being
> totally
> > unethical. the queensland government illegally rescinded native title to
> > allow the mine to go ahead, & the wangan & jagalingou indigenous people
> > have been bankrupted trying to stop the mine.
> > https://wanganjagalingou.com.au/pledge-to-stand-with-us/
> > https://www.acf.org.au/email_siemens_global
> >
> > it's hard to wish a happy new year in the face of all of this (not to
> > mention the tragic zoo fire in germany, 30 primates killed thanks to
> > someone's carelessness) but i can only hope that the scale of devastation
> > will force politicians to accept that they must act, urgently, and that
> we
> > will enter into a decade of positive change ...
> >
> > h xx
> > On 03.01.20 20:26, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >
> >
> > (Apologies for a 2nd post today; I think the situation warrants it. How
> do
> > we, as a community, respond to this? To the approx. 480m killed? To a
> > Ballard future collapsing around us? How do we stop from harming
> ourselves,
> > how can we act intelligently with this like this - on top of all the
> other
> > horrors? Because this is going to spread of course; the ash on NZ
> glaciers
> > accelerating melt. What do we do? What do we do as a community?)
> >
> >
> > Fires in Australia
> >
> > http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.jpg (map)
> > http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.mp3 (radio)
> >
> > In Pennsylvania, we had house-destroying floods, mine fires,
> > highly polluted air. We went back and explored the area (around
> > Wilkes-Barre/Kingston) last April. I've had my own things
> > destroyed in floods several times, oddly including a storage
> > container in Los Angeles, a closet in Providence, my parents'
> > house in Kingston. But nothing, ever, like this. Reading Ballard,
> > the world's future is spelled out as a scenario for now. Teaching
> > "The Year 3000" back in the early 70s, I was face-to-face with
> > the statistics. I've continue to talk and write and think about
> > this. I was influenced by post-modern geography, and by the
> > collapsed flora of the Carboniferous/Pennsylvanian, which I
> > collected. I grew up negative. I've been following the fires and
> > started interviewing a few people by Skype, people from eastern
> > Australia. I'm trying to make sense of this, trying to find
> > optimism in a situation which I see as the beginning of something
> > problematic, horrifying. (I'll send the interviews out to the
> > lists.) I listened late last night (here) to the radio - a short
> > segment is above. The map gives some indication of locations.
> >
> > There was a report that 480 million animals have died in the
> > fires. It's inconceivable, as is the number.
> >
> > Best, hopefully, Alan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NetBehaviour mailing list
> > NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
> > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
> >
> > --
> >
> > helen varley jamieson
> >
> > helen at creative-catalyst.com
> > http://www.creative-catalyst.com
> > http://www.upstage.org.nz
> >
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> From: Edward Picot <julian.lesaux at gmail.com>
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> Ana,
>
> As for Bolsonaro, it's my belief, and has been for many years, that if
> the West expects a country like Brazil to preserve rainforests and
> biodiversity on behalf of the whole world, then they have to pay them to
> do it, and I mean serious money. It should be worth more financially to
> preserve the forests and export oxygen for the benefit of the rest of us
> than to cut them down and plant palm oil or create beef farms or
> whatever. Then there wouldn't be any argument.
>
> Bolsonaro is an arsehole, but wagging a finger at him in the style of
> Macron isn't going to make him budge.
>
> Edward
>
> On 05/01/2020 15:05, Ana Vald?s via NetBehaviour wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for sharing so important inputs and thoughts! I feel a growing
> > frustration about how politicians are handling this issues. In the
> > worst draugh a province in Australia sold the common water to a
> > private enterprise.
> > And neither Bolsonaro or Morrison or Trump are acting as leaders in
> > time of a crisis. They carry on and on and on not relating fires to
> > capitalism and its ways, fracking and mining.
> > They despise the knowledge of scientists and of the aboriginal ways to
> > live and work they blame the people speaking about climate change.
> > I assume many on this list are familiar with Donna Haraway. Her
> > writings about the Anthroposcene a new age where we, Mankind, are
> > responsible for disasters and ways to live which unsettle Nature and
> > the natural order are very important and give advice and explanations.
> > Ana
> >
> >
> > El El dom, 5 de ene. de 2020 a la(s) 11:43, Edward Picot via
> > NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
> > <mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>> escribi?:
> >
> >     Helen,
> >
> >     That's really useful information about the donation links and the
> >     Adani coal mine. I didn't know about the coal mine before.
> >
> >     As for Scott Morrison and his government, I think there's more to
> >     it than sheer stupidity. As with Trump and Boris Johnson, there's
> >     a right-wing populist agenda at play, which is all about
> >     protecting and promoting the interests of big business, but it
> >     sustains itself in power by appealing to certain
> >     lowest-common-denominator prejudices in the minds of the voting
> >     public, and serving up what are basically lies to reinforce its
> >     appeal. So Morrison has now moved on from claiming that the link
> >     between bushfires and global warming is all in the minds of urban
> >     woke greeny loony lefties; he's now claiming that he never denied
> >     that link in the first place; but he's also making out that the
> >     bushfires are particularly bad because the greeny loony lefties
> >     have been blocking bushfire hazard reduction measures in the
> >     national parks. This is rejected as nonsense by bushfire experts,
> >     but the claim doesn't have to be accurate to make its impact. And
> >     that's the problem. Populist politics has found the faultline in
> >     modern democracy, where things don't have to be true, or even make
> >     sense, to influence voting patterns; they use tactics of
> >     misinformation and misdirection as a deliberate policy to sustain
> >     themselves in power. And the left/green parties haven't yet found
> >     a way to counteract those tactics, or to tap into the huge
> >     groundswell of opinion which is undoubtedly building behind
> >     environmentalist causes, particularly amongst the young. In
> >     countries like the UK young people just take it for granted that
> >     something urgently needs to be done about the environment; but
> >     they don't have any faith in the political parties to deliver the
> >     required changes. So their convictions don't translate into votes.
> >     And you can't blame them. The environment hardly featured as an
> >     issue in the election we just had.
> >
> >     Things are going to change, I'm sure. But how much damage is the
> >     planet going to sustain before the changes happen? It's a
> >     frightening prospect.
> >
> >     Edward
> >
> >
> >     On 05/01/2020 13:10, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
> >>
> >>     hi alan,
> >>
> >>     it is truly devastating & catastrophic what is happening in
> >>     australia, & outrageous that the government there continues to be
> >>     so fucking stupid. i heard that scott morrison (the prime
> >>     minister, who chose to have a hawaiian holiday in the midst of it
> >>     all) would fly out to china to discuss trade negotiations,
> >>     including coal mining, immediately after meeting with fire
> >>     chiefs. his inability to make the connections is staggering.
> >>
> >>     i have many family and friends in australia and everyone is
> >>     affected in some way; some have lost property, everyone is
> >>     affected by the smoke, my family & friends in new zealand are
> >>     also seeing and breathing the smoke. yes, an estimated half a
> >>     billion birds, animals & insects have died. and the fires are
> >>     still burning, many out of control, and no end in sight. this
> >>     level of catastrophe has been predicted - but not for another
> >>     decade; everything is accelerating.
> >>
> >>     what can we do? suzon posted this list of donation links:
> >>
> https://www.abc.net.au/classic/read-and-watch/news/bushfire-donations/11823676
> >>     - there are plenty of places to make financial donations & if you
> >>     are in australia there are practical things you can do to help.
> >>
> >>     we can write to scott morrison (@scottmorrisonmp on twitter) and
> >>     other australian politicians, urging them to take the climate
> >>     emergency seriously (australia is one of the worst countries in
> >>     the world in terms of climate policy:
> >>
> https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-climate-change-policy-ranked-57-out-of-61-countries
> )
> >>
> >>     a related campaign that is well worth supporting is the long
> >>     struggle against the adani coal mine - is a major fossil-fuel
> >>     extraction project which will contribute massively to global
> >>     warming as well as being totally unethical. the queensland
> >>     government illegally rescinded native title to allow the mine to
> >>     go ahead, & the wangan & jagalingou indigenous people have been
> >>     bankrupted trying to stop the mine.
> >>     https://wanganjagalingou.com.au/pledge-to-stand-with-us/
> >>     https://www.acf.org.au/email_siemens_global
> >>
> >>     it's hard to wish a happy new year in the face of all of this
> >>     (not to mention the tragic zoo fire in germany, 30 primates
> >>     killed thanks to someone's carelessness) but i can only hope that
> >>     the scale of devastation will force politicians to accept that
> >>     they must act, urgently, and that we will enter into a decade of
> >>     positive change ...
> >>
> >>     h xx
> >>
> >>     On 03.01.20 20:26, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     (Apologies for a 2nd post today; I think the situation warrants
> >>>     it. How do we, as a community, respond to this? To the approx.
> >>>     480m killed? To a Ballard future collapsing around us? How do we
> >>>     stop from harming ourselves, how can we act intelligently with
> >>>     this like this - on top of all the other horrors? Because this
> >>>     is going to spread of course; the ash on NZ glaciers
> >>>     accelerating melt. What do we do? What do we do as a community?)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     Fires in Australia
> >>>
> >>>     http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.jpg (map)
> >>>     http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.mp3 (radio)
> >>>
> >>>     In Pennsylvania, we had house-destroying floods, mine fires,
> >>>     highly polluted air. We went back and explored the area (around
> >>>     Wilkes-Barre/Kingston) last April. I've had my own things
> >>>     destroyed in floods several times, oddly including a storage
> >>>     container in Los Angeles, a closet in Providence, my parents'
> >>>     house in Kingston. But nothing, ever, like this. Reading Ballard,
> >>>     the world's future is spelled out as a scenario for now. Teaching
> >>>     "The Year 3000" back in the early 70s, I was face-to-face with
> >>>     the statistics. I've continue to talk and write and think about
> >>>     this. I was influenced by post-modern geography, and by the
> >>>     collapsed flora of the Carboniferous/Pennsylvanian, which I
> >>>     collected. I grew up negative. I've been following the fires and
> >>>     started interviewing a few people by Skype, people from eastern
> >>>     Australia. I'm trying to make sense of this, trying to find
> >>>     optimism in a situation which I see as the beginning of something
> >>>     problematic, horrifying. (I'll send the interviews out to the
> >>>     lists.) I listened late last night (here) to the radio - a short
> >>>     segment is above. The map gives some indication of locations.
> >>>
> >>>     There was a report that 480 million animals have died in the
> >>>     fires. It's inconceivable, as is the number.
> >>>
> >>>     Best, hopefully, Alan
> >>>
> >>>     _______________________________________________
> >>>     NetBehaviour mailing list
> >>>     NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
> >>>     <mailto:NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
> >>>     https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
> >>     --
> >>
> >>     helen varley jamieson
> >>
> >>     helen at creative-catalyst.com <mailto:helen at creative-catalyst.com>
> >>     http://www.creative-catalyst.com
> >>     http://www.upstage.org.nz
> >>
> >>
> >>     _______________________________________________
> >>     NetBehaviour mailing list
> >>     NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org  <mailto:
> NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
> >>     https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
> >
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     NetBehaviour mailing list
> >     NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
> >     <mailto:NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
> >     https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
> >
> > --
> > https://anavaldes.wordpress.com/
> > www.twitter.com/caravia158 <http://www.twitter.com/caravia158>
> > http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/
> > http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia
> > http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > cell Sweden +4670-3213370
> > cell Uruguay +598-99470758
> >
> >
> > "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth
> > with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you
> > will always long to return.
> > ? Leonardo da Vinci
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:36:33 -0300
> From: Ana Vald?s <agora158 at gmail.com>
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>         <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
> Cc: Edward Picot <julian.lesaux at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fires in Australia
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> Edward money is not enough. The class Bolsonaro support, the core of his
> electors, are greedy landowners and they want the WHOLE Amazonian for
> planting soya.
> They want draw motorways and erase the jungle as they did in Rio and in
> other parts. Brasil has other jungle, la Mata Atl?ntica, once an immense
> jungle running along their long coat. Now it?s bare exist taken away for
> give place to cities.
> For me the puzzle is why people choose them? Morrison or Bolsonaro or Trump
> are chosen they can behave as dictators and they can have come to power in
> rigged elections as Trump In the US or Bolsonaro in Brasil but they were
> elected.
> Ana
>
> El El dom, 5 de ene. de 2020 a la(s) 12:19, Edward Picot via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> escribi?:
>
> > Ana,
> >
> > As for Bolsonaro, it's my belief, and has been for many years, that if
> the
> > West expects a country like Brazil to preserve rainforests and
> biodiversity
> > on behalf of the whole world, then they have to pay them to do it, and I
> > mean serious money. It should be worth more financially to preserve the
> > forests and export oxygen for the benefit of the rest of us than to cut
> > them down and plant palm oil or create beef farms or whatever. Then there
> > wouldn't be any argument.
> >
> > Bolsonaro is an arsehole, but wagging a finger at him in the style of
> > Macron isn't going to make him budge.
> >
> > Edward
> >
> > On 05/01/2020 15:05, Ana Vald?s via NetBehaviour wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks for sharing so important inputs and thoughts! I feel a growing
> > frustration about how politicians are handling this issues. In the worst
> > draugh a province in Australia sold the common water to a private
> > enterprise.
> > And neither Bolsonaro or Morrison or Trump are acting as leaders in time
> > of a crisis. They carry on and on and on not relating fires to capitalism
> > and its ways, fracking and mining.
> > They despise the knowledge of scientists and of the aboriginal ways to
> > live and work they blame the people speaking about climate change.
> > I assume many on this list are familiar with Donna Haraway. Her writings
> > about the Anthroposcene a new age where we, Mankind, are responsible for
> > disasters and ways to live which unsettle Nature and the natural order
> are
> > very important and give advice and explanations.
> > Ana
> >
> >
> > El El dom, 5 de ene. de 2020 a la(s) 11:43, Edward Picot via
> NetBehaviour <
> > netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> escribi?:
> >
> >> Helen,
> >>
> >> That's really useful information about the donation links and the Adani
> >> coal mine. I didn't know about the coal mine before.
> >>
> >> As for Scott Morrison and his government, I think there's more to it
> than
> >> sheer stupidity. As with Trump and Boris Johnson, there's a right-wing
> >> populist agenda at play, which is all about protecting and promoting the
> >> interests of big business, but it sustains itself in power by appealing
> to
> >> certain lowest-common-denominator prejudices in the minds of the voting
> >> public, and serving up what are basically lies to reinforce its appeal.
> So
> >> Morrison has now moved on from claiming that the link between bushfires
> and
> >> global warming is all in the minds of urban woke greeny loony lefties;
> he's
> >> now claiming that he never denied that link in the first place; but he's
> >> also making out that the bushfires are particularly bad because the
> greeny
> >> loony lefties have been blocking bushfire hazard reduction measures in
> the
> >> national parks. This is rejected as nonsense by bushfire experts, but
> the
> >> claim doesn't have to be accurate to make its impact. And that's the
> >> problem. Populist politics has found the faultline in modern democracy,
> >> where things don't have to be true, or even make sense, to influence
> voting
> >> patterns; they use tactics of misinformation and misdirection as a
> >> deliberate policy to sustain themselves in power. And the left/green
> >> parties haven't yet found a way to counteract those tactics, or to tap
> into
> >> the huge groundswell of opinion which is undoubtedly building behind
> >> environmentalist causes, particularly amongst the young. In countries
> like
> >> the UK young people just take it for granted that something urgently
> needs
> >> to be done about the environment; but they don't have any faith in the
> >> political parties to deliver the required changes. So their convictions
> >> don't translate into votes. And you can't blame them. The environment
> >> hardly featured as an issue in the election we just had.
> >>
> >> Things are going to change, I'm sure. But how much damage is the planet
> >> going to sustain before the changes happen? It's a frightening prospect.
> >>
> >> Edward
> >>
> >>
> >> On 05/01/2020 13:10, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
> >>
> >> hi alan,
> >>
> >> it is truly devastating & catastrophic what is happening in australia, &
> >> outrageous that the government there continues to be so fucking stupid.
> i
> >> heard that scott morrison (the prime minister, who chose to have a
> hawaiian
> >> holiday in the midst of it all) would fly out to china to discuss trade
> >> negotiations, including coal mining, immediately after meeting with fire
> >> chiefs. his inability to make the connections is staggering.
> >>
> >> i have many family and friends in australia and everyone is affected in
> >> some way; some have lost property, everyone is affected by the smoke, my
> >> family & friends in new zealand are also seeing and breathing the smoke.
> >> yes, an estimated half a billion birds, animals & insects have died. and
> >> the fires are still burning, many out of control, and no end in sight.
> this
> >> level of catastrophe has been predicted - but not for another decade;
> >> everything is accelerating.
> >>
> >> what can we do? suzon posted this list of donation links:
> >>
> https://www.abc.net.au/classic/read-and-watch/news/bushfire-donations/11823676
> >> - there are plenty of places to make financial donations & if you are in
> >> australia there are practical things you can do to help.
> >>
> >> we can write to scott morrison (@scottmorrisonmp on twitter) and other
> >> australian politicians, urging them to take the climate emergency
> seriously
> >> (australia is one of the worst countries in the world in terms of
> climate
> >> policy:
> >>
> https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-climate-change-policy-ranked-57-out-of-61-countries
> >> )
> >>
> >> a related campaign that is well worth supporting is the long struggle
> >> against the adani coal mine - is a major fossil-fuel extraction project
> >> which will contribute massively to global warming as well as being
> totally
> >> unethical. the queensland government illegally rescinded native title to
> >> allow the mine to go ahead, & the wangan & jagalingou indigenous people
> >> have been bankrupted trying to stop the mine.
> >> https://wanganjagalingou.com.au/pledge-to-stand-with-us/
> >> https://www.acf.org.au/email_siemens_global
> >>
> >> it's hard to wish a happy new year in the face of all of this (not to
> >> mention the tragic zoo fire in germany, 30 primates killed thanks to
> >> someone's carelessness) but i can only hope that the scale of
> devastation
> >> will force politicians to accept that they must act, urgently, and that
> we
> >> will enter into a decade of positive change ...
> >>
> >> h xx
> >> On 03.01.20 20:26, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> (Apologies for a 2nd post today; I think the situation warrants it. How
> >> do we, as a community, respond to this? To the approx. 480m killed? To a
> >> Ballard future collapsing around us? How do we stop from harming
> ourselves,
> >> how can we act intelligently with this like this - on top of all the
> other
> >> horrors? Because this is going to spread of course; the ash on NZ
> glaciers
> >> accelerating melt. What do we do? What do we do as a community?)
> >>
> >>
> >> Fires in Australia
> >>
> >> http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.jpg (map)
> >> http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.mp3 (radio)
> >>
> >> In Pennsylvania, we had house-destroying floods, mine fires,
> >> highly polluted air. We went back and explored the area (around
> >> Wilkes-Barre/Kingston) last April. I've had my own things
> >> destroyed in floods several times, oddly including a storage
> >> container in Los Angeles, a closet in Providence, my parents'
> >> house in Kingston. But nothing, ever, like this. Reading Ballard,
> >> the world's future is spelled out as a scenario for now. Teaching
> >> "The Year 3000" back in the early 70s, I was face-to-face with
> >> the statistics. I've continue to talk and write and think about
> >> this. I was influenced by post-modern geography, and by the
> >> collapsed flora of the Carboniferous/Pennsylvanian, which I
> >> collected. I grew up negative. I've been following the fires and
> >> started interviewing a few people by Skype, people from eastern
> >> Australia. I'm trying to make sense of this, trying to find
> >> optimism in a situation which I see as the beginning of something
> >> problematic, horrifying. (I'll send the interviews out to the
> >> lists.) I listened late last night (here) to the radio - a short
> >> segment is above. The map gives some indication of locations.
> >>
> >> There was a report that 480 million animals have died in the
> >> fires. It's inconceivable, as is the number.
> >>
> >> Best, hopefully, Alan
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NetBehaviour mailing list
> >> NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
> >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> helen varley jamieson
> >>
> >> helen at creative-catalyst.com
> >> http://www.creative-catalyst.com
> >> http://www.upstage.org.nz
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NetBehaviour mailing listNetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.orghttps://
> lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NetBehaviour mailing list
> >> NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
> >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
> >>
> > --
> > https://anavaldes.wordpress.com/
> > www.twitter.com/caravia158
> > http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/
> > http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia
> > http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > cell Sweden +4670-3213370
> > cell Uruguay +598-99470758
> >
> >
> > "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with
> > your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will
> always
> > long to return.
> > ? Leonardo da Vinci
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NetBehaviour mailing listNetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.orghttps://
> lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
> >
> >
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> www.twitter.com/caravia158
> http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/
> http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia
> http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0
>
>
>
>
> <http://www.scoop.it/t/postcolonial-mind/>
>
> cell Sweden +4670-3213370
> cell Uruguay +598-99470758
>
>
> "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with
> your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
> long to return.
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> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 10:45:47 -0500 (EST)
> From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>         <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
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> Hi Helen and everyone,
>
> All of these are good and thank you! I do worry about focusing on the PM;
> I think this is a problem that's world-wide and all of us, all of our
> "leaders" all of ourselves, are responsible as well. We're reaping the
> whirlwind, almost literally.
>
> The fauna deaths in Australia are far worse than believed; ABC is now
> covering them. I taught for a year in Tasmania; they're hit, even there,
> which has been a far more moist environment.
>
> I'd also urge people - somehow - to put this, and our lives, in
> perspective; I've become close to suicidal, many other people the same,
> and we don't help things that way. Australia is the focal point in a way
> for our hatred of Trump, but the phenomenon is global, global, global, and
> T. and Xi and god knows who else don't give a damn. We have to act on all
> fronts, but I'm not even sure what that action is. Even places like our
> West Virginia are being destroyed (coal and fracking there). And we're all
> part of the problem; even this laptop I'm writing on has a lot of
> plastic..
>
> Best, goddess help us, Alan
>
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
>
> >
> > hi alan,
> >
> > it is truly devastating & catastrophic what is happening in australia, &
> > outrageous that the government there continues to be so fucking stupid. i
> > heard that scott morrison (the prime minister, who chose to have a
> hawaiian
> > holiday in the midst of it all) would fly out to china to discuss trade
> > negotiations, including coal mining, immediately after meeting with fire
> > chiefs. his inability to make the connections is staggering.
> >
> > i have many family and friends in australia and everyone is affected in
> some
> > way; some have lost property, everyone is affected by the smoke, my
> family &
> > friends in new zealand are also seeing and breathing the smoke. yes, an
> > estimated half a billion birds, animals & insects have died. and the
> fires
> > are still burning, many out of control, and no end in sight. this level
> of
> > catastrophe has been predicted - but not for another decade; everything
> is
> > accelerating.
> >
> > what can we do? suzon posted this list of donation links:
> https://www.abc.net.au/classic/read-and-watch/news/bushfire-donations/11823
> > 676 - there are plenty of places to make financial donations & if you are
> > in australia there are practical things you can do to help.
> >
> > we can write to scott morrison (@scottmorrisonmp on twitter) and other
> > australian politicians, urging them to take the climate emergency
> seriously
> > (australia is one of the worst countries in the world in terms of climate
> > policy:
> https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-climate-change-policy-ranked-57-out
> > -of-61-countries)
> >
> > a related campaign that is well worth supporting is the long struggle
> > against the adani coal mine - is a major fossil-fuel extraction project
> > which will contribute massively to global warming as well as being
> totally
> > unethical. the queensland government illegally rescinded native title to
> > allow the mine to go ahead, & the wangan & jagalingou indigenous people
> have
> > been bankrupted trying to stop the mine.
> > https://wanganjagalingou.com.au/pledge-to-stand-with-us/
> > https://www.acf.org.au/email_siemens_global
> >
> > it's hard to wish a happy new year in the face of all of this (not to
> > mention the tragic zoo fire in germany, 30 primates killed thanks to
> > someone's carelessness) but i can only hope that the scale of devastation
> > will force politicians to accept that they must act, urgently, and that
> we
> > will enter into a decade of positive change ...
> >
> > h xx
> >
> > On 03.01.20 20:26, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >
> >       (Apologies for a 2nd post today; I think the situation warrants
> >       it. How do we, as a community, respond to this? To the approx.
> >       480m killed? To a Ballard future collapsing around us? How do we
> >       stop from harming ourselves, how can we act intelligently with
> >       this like this - on top of all the other horrors? Because this
> >       is going to spread of course; the ash on NZ glaciers
> >       accelerating melt. What do we do? What do we do as a community?)
> >
> >
> >       Fires in Australia
> >
> >       http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.jpg (map)
> >       http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.mp3 (radio)
> >
> >       In Pennsylvania, we had house-destroying floods, mine fires,
> >       highly polluted air. We went back and explored the area (around
> >       Wilkes-Barre/Kingston) last April. I've had my own things
> >       destroyed in floods several times, oddly including a storage
> >       container in Los Angeles, a closet in Providence, my parents'
> >       house in Kingston. But nothing, ever, like this. Reading
> >       Ballard,
> >       the world's future is spelled out as a scenario for now.
> >       Teaching
> >       "The Year 3000" back in the early 70s, I was face-to-face with
> >       the statistics. I've continue to talk and write and think about
> >       this. I was influenced by post-modern geography, and by the
> >       collapsed flora of the Carboniferous/Pennsylvanian, which I
> >       collected. I grew up negative. I've been following the fires and
> >       started interviewing a few people by Skype, people from eastern
> >       Australia. I'm trying to make sense of this, trying to find
> >       optimism in a situation which I see as the beginning of
> >       something
> >       problematic, horrifying. (I'll send the interviews out to the
> >       lists.) I listened late last night (here) to the radio - a short
> >       segment is above. The map gives some indication of locations.
> >
> >       There was a report that 480 million animals have died in the
> >       fires. It's inconceivable, as is the number.
> >
> >       Best, hopefully, Alan
> >
> >       _______________________________________________
> >       NetBehaviour mailing list
> >       NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
> >       https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
> >
> > --
> >
> > helen varley jamieson
> >
> > helen at creative-catalyst.com
> > http://www.creative-catalyst.com
> > http://www.upstage.org.nz
> >
> >
> >
>
> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552
> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/ws.txt
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 10:50:16 -0500 (EST)
> From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>
> To: Ana Vald?s via NetBehaviour  <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
> Cc: Ana Vald?s <agora158 at gmail.com>, Edward Picot
>         <julian.lesaux at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fires in Australia
> Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.21.2001051047470.27636 at panix3.panix.com>
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>
>
> Dictators are an easy sell - look at the building to Nazi Germany. I think
> it's almost in our genes, someone, if not religion, who will handle
> uncertainty for us. The people who believe in Trump BELIEVE in him; there
> are evangelicals who consider him almost a messiah brought by God. The
> world's complex; when answer come down to a man (almost always a man), the
> focus becomes easy, almost healing. We have to blame ourselves for these
> people, as well as blame them - not to mention our brutal consumption of
> world resources - our cellphones coming out of slave labor, Amazon
> harnassing a lot of people who can't get work elsewhere...
>
> Alan
>
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020, Ana Vald?s via NetBehaviour wrote:
>
> > Edward money is not enough. The class Bolsonaro support, the core of his
> > electors, are greedy landowners and they want the WHOLE Amazonian for
> > planting soya.
> > They want draw motorways and erase the jungle as they did in Rio and in
> > other parts. Brasil has other jungle, la Mata Atl?ntica, once an immense
> > jungle running along their long coat. Now it?s bare exist taken away for
> give
> > place to cities.?
> > For me the puzzle is why people choose them? Morrison or Bolsonaro or
> Trump
> > are chosen they can behave as dictators and they can have come to power
> in
> > rigged elections as Trump In the US or Bolsonaro in Brasil but they were
> > elected.
> > Ana?
> >
> > El El dom, 5 de ene. de 2020 a la(s) 12:19, Edward Picot via NetBehaviour
> > <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> escribi?:
> >       Ana,
> >
> > As for Bolsonaro, it's my belief, and has been for many years, that if
> > the West expects a country like Brazil to preserve rainforests and
> > biodiversity on behalf of the whole world, then they have to pay them
> > to do it, and I mean serious money. It should be worth more
> > financially to preserve the forests and export oxygen for the benefit
> > of the rest of us than to cut them down and plant palm oil or create
> > beef farms or whatever. Then there wouldn't be any argument.
> >
> > Bolsonaro is an arsehole, but wagging a finger at him in the style of
> > Macron isn't going to make him budge.
> >
> > Edward
> >
> > On 05/01/2020 15:05, Ana Vald?s via NetBehaviour wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for sharing so important inputs and thoughts! I feel a
> > growing frustration about how politicians are handling this
> > issues. In the worst draugh a province in Australia sold the
> > common water to a private enterprise.
> > And neither Bolsonaro or Morrison or Trump are acting as leaders
> > in time of a crisis. They carry on and on and on not relating
> > fires to capitalism and its ways, fracking and mining.
> > They despise the knowledge of scientists and of the aboriginal
> > ways to live and work they blame the people speaking about
> > climate change.
> > I assume many on this list are familiar with Donna Haraway. Her
> > writings about the Anthroposcene a new age where we, Mankind,
> > are responsible for disasters and ways to live which unsettle
> > Nature and the natural order are very important and give advice
> > and explanations.
> > Ana?
> >
> >
> > El El dom, 5 de ene. de 2020 a la(s) 11:43, Edward Picot via
> > NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> escribi?:
> >       Helen,
> >
> > That's really useful information about the donation links
> > and the Adani coal mine. I didn't know about the coal mine
> > before.
> >
> > As for Scott Morrison and his government, I think there's
> > more to it than sheer stupidity. As with Trump and Boris
> > Johnson, there's a right-wing populist agenda at play,
> > which is all about protecting and promoting the interests
> > of big business, but it sustains itself in power by
> > appealing to certain lowest-common-denominator prejudices
> > in the minds of the voting public, and serving up what are
> > basically lies to reinforce its appeal. So Morrison has
> > now moved on from claiming that the link between bushfires
> > and global warming is all in the minds of urban woke
> > greeny loony lefties; he's now claiming that he never
> > denied that link in the first place; but he's also making
> > out that the bushfires are particularly bad because the
> > greeny loony lefties have been blocking bushfire hazard
> > reduction measures in the national parks. This is rejected
> > as nonsense by bushfire experts, but the claim doesn't
> > have to be accurate to make its impact. And that's the
> > problem. Populist politics has found the faultline in
> > modern democracy, where things don't have to be true, or
> > even make sense, to influence voting patterns; they use
> > tactics of misinformation and misdirection as a deliberate
> > policy to sustain themselves in power. And the left/green
> > parties haven't yet found a way to counteract those
> > tactics, or to tap into the huge groundswell of opinion
> > which is undoubtedly building behind environmentalist
> > causes, particularly amongst the young. In countries like
> > the UK young people just take it for granted that
> > something urgently needs to be done about the environment;
> > but they don't have any faith in the political parties to
> > deliver the required changes. So their convictions don't
> > translate into votes. And you can't blame them. The
> > environment hardly featured as an issue in the election we
> > just had.
> >
> > Things are going to change, I'm sure. But how much damage
> > is the planet going to sustain before the changes happen?
> > It's a frightening prospect.
> >
> > Edward
> >
> >
> > On 05/01/2020 13:10, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
> >
> >       hi alan,
> >
> >       it is truly devastating & catastrophic what is
> >       happening in australia, & outrageous that the
> >       government there continues to be so fucking
> >       stupid. i heard that scott morrison (the prime
> >       minister, who chose to have a hawaiian holiday
> >       in the midst of it all) would fly out to china
> >       to discuss trade negotiations, including coal
> >       mining, immediately after meeting with fire
> >       chiefs. his inability to make the connections
> >       is staggering.
> >
> >       i have many family and friends in australia
> >       and everyone is affected in some way; some
> >       have lost property, everyone is affected by
> >       the smoke, my family & friends in new zealand
> >       are also seeing and breathing the smoke. yes,
> >       an estimated half a billion birds, animals &
> >       insects have died. and the fires are still
> >       burning, many out of control, and no end in
> >       sight. this level of catastrophe has been
> >       predicted - but not for another decade;
> >       everything is accelerating.
> >
> >       what can we do? suzon posted this list of
> >       donation links:
> https://www.abc.net.au/classic/read-and-watch/news/bushfire-donations/11823
> >       676 - there are plenty of places to make
> >       financial donations & if you are in australia
> >       there are practical things you can do to help.
> >
> >       we can write to scott morrison
> >       (@scottmorrisonmp on twitter) and other
> >       australian politicians, urging them to take
> >       the climate emergency seriously (australia is
> >       one of the worst countries in the world in
> >       terms of climate policy:
> https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-climate-change-policy-ranked-57-out
> >       -of-61-countries)
> >
> >       a related campaign that is well worth
> >       supporting is the long struggle against the
> >       adani coal mine - is a major fossil-fuel
> >       extraction project which will contribute
> >       massively to global warming as well as being
> >       totally unethical. the queensland government
> >       illegally rescinded native title to allow the
> >       mine to go ahead, & the wangan & jagalingou
> >       indigenous people have been bankrupted trying
> >       to stop the mine.
> >       https://wanganjagalingou.com.au/pledge-to-stand-with-us/
> >       https://www.acf.org.au/email_siemens_global
> >
> >       it's hard to wish a happy new year in the face
> >       of all of this (not to mention the tragic zoo
> >       fire in germany, 30 primates killed thanks to
> >       someone's carelessness) but i can only hope
> >       that the scale of devastation will force
> >       politicians to accept that they must act,
> >       urgently, and that we will enter into a decade
> >       of positive change ...
> >
> >       h xx
> >
> >       On 03.01.20 20:26, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >
> >       (Apologies for a 2nd post today; I think
> >       the situation warrants it. How do we, as
> >       a community, respond to this? To the
> >       approx. 480m killed? To a Ballard future
> >       collapsing around us? How do we stop
> >       from harming ourselves, how can we act
> >       intelligently with this like this - on
> >       top of all the other horrors? Because
> >       this is going to spread of course; the
> >       ash on NZ glaciers accelerating melt.
> >       What do we do? What do we do as a
> >       community?)
> >
> >
> >       Fires in Australia
> >
> >       http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.jpg
> >       (map)
> >       http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.mp3
> >       (radio)
> >
> >       In Pennsylvania, we had house-destroying
> >       floods, mine fires,
> >       highly polluted air. We went back and
> >       explored the area (around
> >       Wilkes-Barre/Kingston) last April. I've
> >       had my own things
> >       destroyed in floods several times, oddly
> >       including a storage
> >       container in Los Angeles, a closet in
> >       Providence, my parents'
> >       house in Kingston. But nothing, ever,
> >       like this. Reading Ballard,
> >       the world's future is spelled out as a
> >       scenario for now. Teaching
> >       "The Year 3000" back in the early 70s, I
> >       was face-to-face with
> >       the statistics. I've continue to talk
> >       and write and think about
> >       this. I was influenced by post-modern
> >       geography, and by the
> >       collapsed flora of the
> >       Carboniferous/Pennsylvanian, which I
> >       collected. I grew up negative. I've been
> >       following the fires and
> >       started interviewing a few people by
> >       Skype, people from eastern
> >       Australia. I'm trying to make sense of
> >       this, trying to find
> >       optimism in a situation which I see as
> >       the beginning of something
> >       problematic, horrifying. (I'll send the
> >       interviews out to the
> >       lists.) I listened late last night
> >       (here) to the radio - a short
> >       segment is above. The map gives some
> >       indication of locations.
> >
> >       There was a report that 480 million
> >       animals have died in the
> >       fires. It's inconceivable, as is the
> >       number.
> >
> >       Best, hopefully, Alan
> >
> >       _______________________________________________
> >       NetBehaviour mailing list
> >       NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
> >       https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
> >
> > --
> >
> > helen varley jamieson
> >
> > helen at creative-catalyst.com
> > http://www.creative-catalyst.com
> > http://www.upstage.org.nz
> >
> >
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> >
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> > earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and
> > there you will always long to return.
> > ? Leonardo da Vinci
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> >
> > "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with
> your
> > eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always
> long
> > to return.
> > ? Leonardo da Vinci
> >
> >
>
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> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 10:54:04 -0500
> From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at gmail.com>
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
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> Subject: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: _arc.hive_ Fires in Austral
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