[NetBehaviour] NetBehaviour Digest, Vol 852, Issue 1
Danielle Imara
danielleimara at gmail.com
Sat Mar 28 12:29:11 CET 2020
Actually this was the link I meant to add https://vimeo.com/401291760 !
Apologies for adding to admin
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 11:23, Danielle Imara <danielleimara at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Re: Max and Alan, Genius and 2020
>
> 'Genius' and the 'year 2020' are connected because they are meaningless
> definitions,
> aiding our navigation of pre-agreed structures and systems.
>
> “That is genius!” Is a way ‘genius’ can be used that you might hate less,
> Alan.
>
> Meanwhile, here is a brief video, one of a series responding to being at
> home with nowhere to run, and how surreal it all is
> https://vimeo.com/401292914
>
>
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>> 1. a literature project (Max Herman)
>> 2. Re: a literature project (Alan Sondheim)
>> 3. Re: How is everyone (Johannes Birringer)
>> 4. holding (Alan Sondheim)
>> 5. Re: How is everyone (tacira at riseup.net)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:14:13 +0000
>> From: Max Herman <maxnmherman at hotmail.com>
>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> Subject: [NetBehaviour] a literature project
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>> Hi all,
>>
>> While processing the current year's events, I've been reminded of an old
>> (and not very good) literature project I did long ago.
>>
>> This in turn has led to some thoughts about a potential new project.
>> Maybe this is one way I process literature and experience, to ask what is
>> going on now, then ask what from the past might be relevant, then ask what
>> future events might be the same, different, desirable, possible, etc. in an
>> ongoing cycle of comparison, review, and revision.
>>
>> The hypothetical new project doesn't fit the standard definition of a
>> literature project at first glance, but might have subtler relations to
>> some aspects of past literature (like say the haiku, koan, riddle, or folk
>> tale).
>>
>> I don't know at all if I will "do" the project, or want to, or if it even
>> can be done, or if it should be done; or, if it should be done, how, and by
>> whom; or if it is even possible for there to be a "done" and a "how" and
>> "by whom." But the hypothetical literature project I'm thinking of could
>> be named "what is genius 2020?" Its full textual extent could be three
>> questions: "What do you think about the concept of genius? What do you
>> think about the year 2020? How do you think the concept of genius and the
>> year 2020 are related?"
>>
>> In my life I've found often that asking too many questions, being too
>> questioning, can be a false path that leads me to misjudgments and bad
>> consequences. Sometimes being of a simple and non-questioning mind is very
>> important for me to retain balance, perspective, and context. Following
>> group conventions, the ebb and flow of human sentiment in which we all move
>> albeit in different places and ways, can also be beneficial in its own
>> right. I certainly don't know the answer to these dilemmas.
>>
>> I suppose that being too "answering" can also be a source of terrible
>> imbalance!
>>
>> I wonder now if it would be better to ask just one question rather than
>> three: "how do you think the concept of genius and the year 2020 are
>> connected?" (This seems more concise, but I find the somewhat magical
>> pattern of three more reassuring.)
>>
>> Perhaps we are all asking and answering this question in our own way, if
>> not in these exact terms, the best we can all the time anyway. What is
>> going on? What does it mean? How should I be? Perhaps it is best left as
>> a personal and internal question, a mystery in the ancient sense of
>> something to contemplate calmly, quietly, and slowly, a question generally
>> unspoken and unanswered but no less alive and well for being in that subtle
>> form.
>>
>> Very best regards,
>>
>> Max
>>
>> +++++
>>
>> genius (n.)
>> late 14c., "tutelary or moral spirit" who guides and governs an
>> individual through life, from Latin genius "guardian deity or spirit which
>> watches over each person from birth; spirit, incarnation; wit, talent;"
>> also "prophetic skill; the male spirit of a gens," originally "generative
>> power" (or "inborn nature"), from PIE *gen(e)-yo-, from root *gene- "give
>> birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and
>> tribal groups. Sense of "characteristic disposition" of a person is from
>> 1580s. Meaning "person of natural intelligence or talent" and that of
>> "exalted natural mental ability" are first recorded 1640s.
>>
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>> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:27:34 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>
>> To: Max Herman via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] a literature project
>> Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.21.2003271325020.5929 at panix3.panix.com>
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>>
>> personally, I hate the word 'genius.' it blocks, it's doxa, it rides
>> poorly, it eliminates, it effaces, it touches too much on issues of
>> class,
>> if not race, gender, who does the defining, mensa, iq text biases, etc.
>> 2020 or not. the same for every year. too loaded, perhaps too
>> unintelligent itself, when we're slowly adapting to the splendid variety
>> of lie, AI and NI in the cosmos?
>>
>> best, Alan
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2020, Max Herman via NetBehaviour wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > While processing the current year's events, I've been reminded of an old
>> > (and not very good) literature project I did long ago.
>> >
>> > This in turn has led to some thoughts about a potential new project.
>> Maybe
>> > this is one way I process literature and experience, to ask what is
>> going on
>> > now, then ask what from the past might be relevant, then ask what future
>> > events might be the same, different, desirable, possible, etc. in an
>> ongoing
>> > cycle of comparison, review, and revision.
>> >
>> > The hypothetical new project doesn't fit the standard definition of a
>> > literature project at first glance, but might have subtler relations to
>> some
>> > aspects of past literature (like say the haiku, koan, riddle, or folk
>> tale).
>> >
>> > I don't know at all if I will "do" the project, or want to, or if it
>> even
>> > can be done, or if it should be done; or, if it should be done, how,
>> and by
>> > whom; or if it is even possible for there to be a "done" and a "how"
>> and "by
>> > whom." But the hypothetical literature project I'm thinking of could be
>> > named "what is genius 2020?" Its full textual extent could be three
>> > questions: "What do you think about the concept of genius? What do you
>> think
>> > about the year 2020? How do you think the concept of genius and the year
>> > 2020 are related?"
>> >
>> > In my life I've found often that asking too many questions, being too
>> > questioning, can be a false path that leads me to misjudgments and bad
>> > consequences. Sometimes being of a simple and non-questioning mind is
>> very
>> > important for me to retain balance, perspective, and context. Following
>> > group conventions, the ebb and flow of human sentiment in which we all
>> move
>> > albeit in different places and ways, can also be beneficial in its own
>> > right. I certainly don't know the answer to these dilemmas.
>> >
>> > I suppose that being too "answering" can also be a source of terrible
>> > imbalance!
>> >
>> > I wonder now if it would be better to ask just one question rather than
>> > three: "how do you think the concept of genius and the year 2020 are
>> > connected?" (This seems more concise, but I find the somewhat magical
>> > pattern of three more reassuring.)
>> >
>> > Perhaps we are all asking and answering this question in our own way,
>> if not
>> > in these exact terms, the best we can all the time anyway. What is
>> going on?
>> > What does it mean? How should I be? Perhaps it is best left as a
>> personal
>> > and internal question, a mystery in the ancient sense of something to
>> > contemplate calmly, quietly, and slowly, a question generally unspoken
>> and
>> > unanswered but no less alive and well for being in that subtle form.
>> >
>> > Very best regards,
>> >
>> > Max
>> >
>> > +++++
>> >
>> > genius (n.)
>> > late 14c., "tutelary or moral spirit" who guides and governs an
>> individual
>> > through life, from Latin genius "guardian deity or spirit which watches
>> over
>> > each person from birth; spirit, incarnation; wit, talent;" also
>> "prophetic
>> > skill; the male spirit of a gens," originally "generative power" (or
>> "inborn
>> > nature"), from PIE *gen(e)-yo-, from root *gene- "give birth, beget,"
>> with
>> > derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
>> Sense
>> > of "characteristic disposition" of a person is from 1580s. Meaning
>> "person
>> > of natural intelligence or talent" and that of "exalted natural mental
>> > ability" are first recorded 1640s.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> web http://www.alansondheim.org/index.html cell 347-383-8552
>> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/wx.txt
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 19:11:22 +0000
>> From: Johannes Birringer <Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk>
>> To: "netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org"
>> <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] How is everyone
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> thanks all, for sharing thought and videos/images (Michael's garden,
>> shardcore's song, Alan's birds), I almost think
>> in times like these perhaps the less said the better? but then I would
>> have missed your comments on what you're working
>> on or how communities in Brazil resist their governments, or how you
>> circle your private garden. I really liked Danielle's post - thank you!
>>
>> >>..... Have formed an online communication with a small circle of old
>> friends most of whom live alone. This is leading to immediate creative use
>> of ZOOM, collaborative projects and sharing in new ways. This has become
>> important. Am concerned that people are too screen based though and not
>> taking advantage of this opportunity to experience themselves in quiet. No
>> planes passing.>>
>>
>> this moved me.
>>
>> I have nothing much to add, except wanting to share film I made of our
>> last dance, "mourning for a dead moon," i realized it ought to be short to
>> be palatable,
>> & one ought to see the invisible cryptogamicCoat, in the first scene, but
>> neither problem I was able to solve.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/I66-b21y8oE
>>
>> stay safe, warm regards
>> Johannes Birringer
>> dap-lab
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 22:20:51 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>
>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> Subject: [NetBehaviour] holding
>> Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.21.2003272220410.13688 at panix3.panix.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>>
>>
>>
>> holding
>>
>> http://www.alansondheim.org/P11.png
>>
>> i don't remember the image. it's a lure, it beckons me, that the
>> image itself, not the content, but its entrapment, its position in
>> a strip of images occurring forever it seems; by 'image' i don't
>> recall or mean what's evident elsewhere in a formal setting, in a
>> setting which bespeaks 'image,' in other words an advertisement for
>> what's to come, a token that could be anything. i'm sick of images,
>> sick of text; text provides an immersive experience of course that
>> pales for images; one might feel empathy for an immobilized subject
>> for example, but on the side of the subject, time has stopped,
>> nothing more occurs, there's nothing more to be said than the
>> collocation of pixels or silver grains or etching strokes what have
>> you. so there's that. and there's always hope that the image leads
>> to the text, embraces the text, opens the text, for the viewer,
>> which is almost never the case. i receive for example 'like' clicks
>> on facebook with a text, perhaps this text, that's being presented,
>> which may have a complexity requiring attention one way or another,
>> but the 'like' comes almost immediately, signaling the text has
>> been ignored, what remains is the image already fading, already
>> forgotten by the viewer. you see, if you've come this far, that i'm
>> exhausted, my writing is choppy, we drove yesterday for hours and
>> hours, all the way to omaha from aurora colorado, then worked and
>> talked so that i think we were going for 21 hours altogether, then
>> insufficient sleeping, now writing as if sleep has its say that
>> spreads slowly everywhere, the opposite of the image, the image
>> losing to the sleep, to the content of the sleep which is already
>> burrowing into this writing, and which has no content at all,
>> language replaced by murmuring mumbling. i'm always jealous i can't
>> get off the page <break from someone on the phone vis-a-vis issues
>> related to the virus>
>>
>> the phonecall was about our state rhode island closing its borders
>> to new york state with troopers on the highways stopping vehicles
>> and so forth which makes it difficult for us to return home and
>> we're working on that with an odd sense of fear being trapped
>> somewhere without facilities or ability to do anything at all so
>> the break released the page in a sense as anxiety chemicals rise in
>> me here in omaha and not know where to turn but wanting to help a
>> friend who is coming temporarily to the state which the state finds
>> problematic and i'm not sure what we're going to do but wondering
>> if the image has taken you in or has taken you this far because
>> it's most likely a prosaic image that doesn't add anything to the
>> conversation which is at best one-sided and nothing more than a
>> lure
>>
>> a lure, allure
>>
>> this is where what occurs on a critico-theoretical level exists,
>> lives, exits; this below. which may no longer connect with, concern
>> itself with, the image; it's as if - now you're here, i have you,
>> here is what i want to say - now i've got you in the prisonhouse of
>> language as well; the viral chains of language; the theoretical-
>> critical journal of the plague year; the well of buried victims;
>> the singing of ring around the rosie; the wall around the well; the
>> road on the way to the well; the wall to keep things in; the wall
>> to curtain things; to cauterize them; the wall of the image; the
>> defensive wall of the image; the postern; the leakage; the lake;
>> the postal wall; anything to keep you away; anything to confirm the
>> image did its duty; does its duty; already gone; "if you've read
>> this far" etc.; "if you haven't lost interest" and so forth; "if
>> you want this text to continue" u.s.w. - can't help you - no
>> replacement image - nothing like that - the name "Willoughby" comes
>> to mind - nothing else - the frame - maybe like this -
>>
>> |
>> |___________________________________________________
>>
>> probably not: this text: at the bottom of the frame: you know where
>> that came from: don't you: dis:track:shun:
>>
>> +++
>> ____________________________________________________
>> |
>> |
>>
>> 19c19
>> which is almost never the case. i receive for example 'like' clicks
>> ---
>> which is almost never the case. i receive for example 'like' clicks
>> 22c22
>> but the 'like' comes almost immediately, signaling the text has
>> ---
>> but the 'like' comes almost immediately, signaling the text has
>> 57c57
>> critical journal of the plague year; the well of buried victims;
>> ---
>> critical journal of the plague year; the well of buried victims;
>>
>> +++++
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 03:14:29 -0700
>> From: tacira at riseup.net
>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] How is everyone
>> Message-ID: <a098524ddb418b093cfa25c77cb7f101 at riseup.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> hi johanes
>>
>> the fight in brazil is now for health AND information
>>
>> Support public health workers and videomakers in the front line of
>> Covid-19 in Brazil.
>>
>> https://apoie.bombozila.com/projetos/nafiladosus
>>
>> Trailer https://vimeo.com/401500909
>>
>>
>> Em 2020-03-27 19:11, Johannes Birringer escreveu:
>> > thanks all, for sharing thought and videos/images (Michael's garden,
>> > shardcore's song, Alan's birds), I almost think
>> > in times like these perhaps the less said the better? but then I
>> > would have missed your comments on what you're working
>> > on or how communities in Brazil resist their governments, or how you
>> > circle your private garden. I really liked Danielle's post - thank
>> > you!
>> >
>> >>>..... Have formed an online communication with a small circle of old
>> friends most of whom live alone. This is leading to immediate creative use
>> of ZOOM, collaborative projects and sharing in new ways. This has become
>> important. Am concerned that people are too screen based though and not
>> taking advantage of this opportunity to experience themselves in quiet. No
>> planes passing.>>
>> >
>> > this moved me.
>> >
>> > I have nothing much to add, except wanting to share film I made of our
>> > last dance, "mourning for a dead moon," i realized it ought to be
>> > short to be palatable,
>> > & one ought to see the invisible cryptogamicCoat, in the first scene,
>> > but neither problem I was able to solve.
>> >
>> > https://youtu.be/I66-b21y8oE
>> >
>> > stay safe, warm regards
>> > Johannes Birringer
>> > dap-lab
>> > _______________________________________________
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