[NetBehaviour] NetBehaviour Digest, Vol 852, Issue 1
Edward Picot
julian.lesaux at gmail.com
Sun Mar 29 14:14:46 CEST 2020
I think I might like the one in the bath better, actually - because
there's less sign of what's happening 'below the horizon'. But they're
both great!
Edward
On 28/03/2020 11:29, Danielle Imara via NetBehaviour wrote:
> Actually this was the link I meant to add https://vimeo.com/401291760 !
>
> Apologies for adding to admin
>
> On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 11:23, Danielle Imara <danielleimara at gmail.com
> <mailto:danielleimara at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Re: Max and Alan, Genius and 2020
>
> 'Genius' and the 'year 2020' are connected because they are
> meaningless definitions,
> aiding our navigation of pre-agreed structures and systems.
>
> “That is genius!” Is a way ‘genius’ can be used that you might
> hate less, Alan.
>
> Meanwhile, here is a brief video, one of a series responding to
> being at home with nowhere to run, and how surreal it all is
> https://vimeo.com/401292914
>
>
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> 1. a literature project (Max Herman)
> 2. Re: a literature project (Alan Sondheim)
> 3. Re: How is everyone (Johannes Birringer)
> 4. holding (Alan Sondheim)
> 5. Re: How is everyone (tacira at riseup.net
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:14:13 +0000
> From: Max Herman <maxnmherman at hotmail.com
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> Subject: [NetBehaviour] a literature project
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> Hi all,
>
> While processing the current year's events, I've been reminded
> of an old (and not very good) literature project I did long ago.
>
> This in turn has led to some thoughts about a potential new
> project. Maybe this is one way I process literature and
> experience, to ask what is going on now, then ask what from
> the past might be relevant, then ask what future events might
> be the same, different, desirable, possible, etc. in an
> ongoing cycle of comparison, review, and revision.
>
> The hypothetical new project doesn't fit the standard
> definition of a literature project at first glance, but might
> have subtler relations to some aspects of past literature
> (like say the haiku, koan, riddle, or folk tale).
>
> I don't know at all if I will "do" the project, or want to, or
> if it even can be done, or if it should be done; or, if it
> should be done, how, and by whom; or if it is even possible
> for there to be a "done" and a "how" and "by whom." But the
> hypothetical literature project I'm thinking of could be named
> "what is genius 2020?" Its full textual extent could be three
> questions: "What do you think about the concept of genius?
> What do you think about the year 2020? How do you think the
> concept of genius and the year 2020 are related?"
>
> In my life I've found often that asking too many questions,
> being too questioning, can be a false path that leads me to
> misjudgments and bad consequences. Sometimes being of a
> simple and non-questioning mind is very important for me to
> retain balance, perspective, and context. Following group
> conventions, the ebb and flow of human sentiment in which we
> all move albeit in different places and ways, can also be
> beneficial in its own right. I certainly don't know the answer
> to these dilemmas.
>
> I suppose that being too "answering" can also be a source of
> terrible imbalance!
>
> I wonder now if it would be better to ask just one question
> rather than three: "how do you think the concept of genius
> and the year 2020 are connected?" (This seems more concise,
> but I find the somewhat magical pattern of three more reassuring.)
>
> Perhaps we are all asking and answering this question in our
> own way, if not in these exact terms, the best we can all the
> time anyway. What is going on? What does it mean? How
> should I be? Perhaps it is best left as a personal and
> internal question, a mystery in the ancient sense of something
> to contemplate calmly, quietly, and slowly, a question
> generally unspoken and unanswered but no less alive and well
> for being in that subtle form.
>
> Very best regards,
>
> Max
>
> +++++
>
> genius (n.)
> late 14c., "tutelary or moral spirit" who guides and governs
> an individual through life, from Latin genius "guardian deity
> or spirit which watches over each person from birth; spirit,
> incarnation; wit, talent;" also "prophetic skill; the male
> spirit of a gens," originally "generative power" (or "inborn
> nature"), from PIE *gen(e)-yo-, from root *gene- "give birth,
> beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial
> and tribal groups. Sense of "characteristic disposition" of a
> person is from 1580s. Meaning "person of natural intelligence
> or talent" and that of "exalted natural mental ability" are
> first recorded 1640s.
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:27:34 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com
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> To: Max Herman via NetBehaviour
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> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] a literature project
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> personally, I hate the word 'genius.' it blocks, it's doxa, it
> rides
> poorly, it eliminates, it effaces, it touches too much on
> issues of class,
> if not race, gender, who does the defining, mensa, iq text
> biases, etc.
> 2020 or not. the same for every year. too loaded, perhaps too
> unintelligent itself, when we're slowly adapting to the
> splendid variety
> of lie, AI and NI in the cosmos?
>
> best, Alan
>
> On Fri, 27 Mar 2020, Max Herman via NetBehaviour wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > While processing the current year's events, I've been
> reminded of an old
> > (and not very good) literature project I did long ago.
> >
> > This in turn has led to some thoughts about a potential new
> project. Maybe
> > this is one way I process literature and experience, to ask
> what is going on
> > now, then ask what from the past might be relevant, then ask
> what future
> > events might be the same, different, desirable, possible,
> etc. in an ongoing
> > cycle of comparison, review, and revision.
> >
> > The hypothetical new project doesn't fit the standard
> definition of a
> > literature project at first glance, but might have subtler
> relations to some
> > aspects of past literature (like say the haiku, koan,
> riddle, or folk tale).
> >
> > I don't know at all if I will "do" the project, or want to,
> or if it even
> > can be done, or if it should be done; or, if it should be
> done, how, and by
> > whom; or if it is even possible for there to be a "done" and
> a "how" and "by
> > whom." But the hypothetical literature project I'm thinking
> of could be
> > named "what is genius 2020?" Its full textual extent could
> be three
> > questions: "What do you think about the concept of genius?
> What do you think
> > about the year 2020? How do you think the concept of genius
> and the year
> > 2020 are related?"
> >
> > In my life I've found often that asking too many questions,
> being too
> > questioning, can be a false path that leads me to
> misjudgments and bad
> > consequences. Sometimes being of a simple and
> non-questioning mind is very
> > important for me to retain balance, perspective, and
> context. Following
> > group conventions, the ebb and flow of human sentiment in
> which we all move
> > albeit in different places and ways, can also be beneficial
> in its own
> > right. I certainly don't know the answer to these dilemmas.
> >
> > I suppose that being too "answering" can also be a source of
> terrible
> > imbalance!
> >
> > I wonder now if it would be better to ask just one question
> rather than
> > three: "how do you think the concept of genius and the year
> 2020 are
> > connected?" (This seems more concise, but I find the
> somewhat magical
> > pattern of three more reassuring.)
> >
> > Perhaps we are all asking and answering this question in our
> own way, if not
> > in these exact terms, the best we can all the time anyway.
> What is going on?
> > What does it mean? How should I be? Perhaps it is best left
> as a personal
> > and internal question, a mystery in the ancient sense of
> something to
> > contemplate calmly, quietly, and slowly, a question
> generally unspoken and
> > unanswered but no less alive and well for being in that
> subtle form.
> >
> > Very best regards,
> >
> > Max
> >
> > +++++
> >
> > genius (n.)
> > late 14c., "tutelary or moral spirit" who guides and governs
> an individual
> > through life, from Latin genius "guardian deity or spirit
> which watches over
> > each person from birth; spirit, incarnation; wit, talent;"
> also "prophetic
> > skill; the male spirit of a gens," originally "generative
> power" (or "inborn
> > nature"), from PIE *gen(e)-yo-, from root *gene- "give
> birth, beget," with
> > derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal
> groups. Sense
> > of "characteristic disposition" of a person is from 1580s.
> Meaning "person
> > of natural intelligence or talent" and that of "exalted
> natural mental
> > ability" are first recorded 1640s.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> web http://www.alansondheim.org/index.html cell 347-383-8552
> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/wx.txt
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 19:11:22 +0000
> From: Johannes Birringer <Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk
> <mailto:Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk>>
> To: "netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
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> thanks all, for sharing thought and videos/images (Michael's
> garden, shardcore's song, Alan's birds), I almost think
> in times like these perhaps the less said the better? but
> then I would have missed your comments on what you're working
> on or how communities in Brazil resist their governments, or
> how you circle your private garden. I really liked Danielle's
> post - thank you!
>
> >>..... Have formed an online communication with a small
> circle of old friends most of whom live alone. This is leading
> to immediate creative use of ZOOM, collaborative projects and
> sharing in new ways. This has become important. Am concerned
> that people are too screen based though and not taking
> advantage of this opportunity to experience themselves in
> quiet. No planes passing.>>
>
> this moved me.
>
> I have nothing much to add, except wanting to share film I
> made of our last dance, "mourning for a dead moon," i
> realized it ought to be short to be palatable,
> & one ought to see the invisible cryptogamicCoat, in the first
> scene, but neither problem I was able to solve.
>
> https://youtu.be/I66-b21y8oE
>
> stay safe, warm regards
> Johannes Birringer
> dap-lab
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 22:20:51 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com
> <mailto:sondheim at panix.com>>
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
> <mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>>
> Subject: [NetBehaviour] holding
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> holding
>
> http://www.alansondheim.org/P11.png
>
> i don't remember the image. it's a lure, it beckons me, that the
> image itself, not the content, but its entrapment, its position in
> a strip of images occurring forever it seems; by 'image' i don't
> recall or mean what's evident elsewhere in a formal setting, in a
> setting which bespeaks 'image,' in other words an
> advertisement for
> what's to come, a token that could be anything. i'm sick of
> images,
> sick of text; text provides an immersive experience of course that
> pales for images; one might feel empathy for an immobilized
> subject
> for example, but on the side of the subject, time has stopped,
> nothing more occurs, there's nothing more to be said than the
> collocation of pixels or silver grains or etching strokes what
> have
> you. so there's that. and there's always hope that the image leads
> to the text, embraces the text, opens the text, for the viewer,
> which is almost never the case. i receive for example 'like'
> clicks
> on facebook with a text, perhaps this text, that's being
> presented,
> which may have a complexity requiring attention one way or
> another,
> but the 'like' comes almost immediately, signaling the text has
> been ignored, what remains is the image already fading, already
> forgotten by the viewer. you see, if you've come this far,
> that i'm
> exhausted, my writing is choppy, we drove yesterday for hours and
> hours, all the way to omaha from aurora colorado, then worked and
> talked so that i think we were going for 21 hours altogether, then
> insufficient sleeping, now writing as if sleep has its say that
> spreads slowly everywhere, the opposite of the image, the image
> losing to the sleep, to the content of the sleep which is already
> burrowing into this writing, and which has no content at all,
> language replaced by murmuring mumbling. i'm always jealous i
> can't
> get off the page <break from someone on the phone vis-a-vis issues
> related to the virus>
>
> the phonecall was about our state rhode island closing its borders
> to new york state with troopers on the highways stopping vehicles
> and so forth which makes it difficult for us to return home and
> we're working on that with an odd sense of fear being trapped
> somewhere without facilities or ability to do anything at all so
> the break released the page in a sense as anxiety chemicals
> rise in
> me here in omaha and not know where to turn but wanting to help a
> friend who is coming temporarily to the state which the state
> finds
> problematic and i'm not sure what we're going to do but wondering
> if the image has taken you in or has taken you this far because
> it's most likely a prosaic image that doesn't add anything to the
> conversation which is at best one-sided and nothing more than a
> lure
>
> a lure, allure
>
> this is where what occurs on a critico-theoretical level exists,
> lives, exits; this below. which may no longer connect with,
> concern
> itself with, the image; it's as if - now you're here, i have you,
> here is what i want to say - now i've got you in the
> prisonhouse of
> language as well; the viral chains of language; the theoretical-
> critical journal of the plague year; the well of buried victims;
> the singing of ring around the rosie; the wall around the
> well; the
> road on the way to the well; the wall to keep things in; the wall
> to curtain things; to cauterize them; the wall of the image; the
> defensive wall of the image; the postern; the leakage; the lake;
> the postal wall; anything to keep you away; anything to
> confirm the
> image did its duty; does its duty; already gone; "if you've read
> this far" etc.; "if you haven't lost interest" and so forth; "if
> you want this text to continue" u.s.w. - can't help you - no
> replacement image - nothing like that - the name "Willoughby"
> comes
> to mind - nothing else - the frame - maybe like this -
>
> |
> |___________________________________________________
>
> probably not: this text: at the bottom of the frame: you know
> where
> that came from: don't you: dis:track:shun:
>
> +++
> ____________________________________________________
> |
> |
>
> 19c19
> which is almost never the case. i receive for example 'like'
> clicks
> ---
> which is almost never the case. i receive for example 'like'
> clicks
> 22c22
> but the 'like' comes almost immediately, signaling the text has
> ---
> but the 'like' comes almost immediately, signaling the text has
> 57c57
> critical journal of the plague year; the well of buried victims;
> ---
> critical journal of the plague year; the well of buried victims;
>
> +++++
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 03:14:29 -0700
> From: tacira at riseup.net <mailto:tacira at riseup.net>
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
> <mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>>
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] How is everyone
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> hi johanes
>
> the fight in brazil is now for health AND information
>
> Support public health workers and videomakers in the front line of
> Covid-19 in Brazil.
>
> https://apoie.bombozila.com/projetos/nafiladosus
>
> Trailer https://vimeo.com/401500909
>
>
> Em 2020-03-27 19:11, Johannes Birringer escreveu:
> > thanks all, for sharing thought and videos/images (Michael's
> garden,
> > shardcore's song, Alan's birds), I almost think
> > in times like these perhaps the less said the better? but
> then I
> > would have missed your comments on what you're working
> > on or how communities in Brazil resist their governments, or
> how you
> > circle your private garden. I really liked Danielle's post -
> thank
> > you!
> >
> >>>..... Have formed an online communication with a small
> circle of old friends most of whom live alone. This is leading
> to immediate creative use of ZOOM, collaborative projects and
> sharing in new ways. This has become important. Am concerned
> that people are too screen based though and not taking
> advantage of this opportunity to experience themselves in
> quiet. No planes passing.>>
> >
> > this moved me.
> >
> > I have nothing much to add, except wanting to share film I
> made of our
> > last dance, "mourning for a dead moon," i realized it ought
> to be
> > short to be palatable,
> > & one ought to see the invisible cryptogamicCoat, in the
> first scene,
> > but neither problem I was able to solve.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/I66-b21y8oE
> >
> > stay safe, warm regards
> > Johannes Birringer
> > dap-lab
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