[NetBehaviour] Max Herman text/response to Finsbury Park project

Max Herman maxnmherman at hotmail.com
Mon Aug 23 19:03:26 CEST 2021


Hi Suzon,

I just listened to video 1 by Amaranta Osorio and found it very compelling.

My first impression of the site was the spiral form of the obsolete tech objects, with the person and rotated square in the center.  To my highly ML-focused perspective, these resonate with the several vortices in the ML (such as the spiral shaw, double-helixes of the hair and veil, etc.) and also the primary X-form where the bridge-shawl line crosses the line of the veil and left shoulder.  These are possibly mere coincidences of course, but spirals and cross-sections were everywhere in Leonardo's drawings and fundamental to his designs.  So the initial image of your site was very notable and "prehistoric" or transhistorical in a way.

The spiral of tech objects also reminded me of weather -- the current images of storm season.  I was daydreaming yesterday how in an attenuated almost invisible sense we "wear" the climate metaphorically because the clothing we wear involved agriculture to grow the fibers and fossil fuels to weave the fabric, sew the garment, and transport it long distances.  All those residues are part of the garments, arguably, like the trailing cables of the tech-object spiral, just as the shirt is part of the loom and the cloth is part of the earth where the fibers grew.  Therefore rain falling (or not falling, here, as the case may be) is at some microscopic, infinitesimal level "part of" the shirt.  Perhaps not physically proximate enough to be considered contiguous, but then again, if the rain falls on the shirt well that's pretty proximate!  🙂

Therefore I was compelled by hearing Osorio speaking of the spiral, as well as speed and slowness.  (Leonardo said above all to draw slowly, otherwise you don't absorb it.)  The discussion of obsolescence, age, and time, were constant themes for Leonardo in his writings.  Yet as Osorio says, in just a pause, a breath, it is possible to listen to the silence "Eschuchar el silencio;" there is where life is:  "Y ahi, la vida."  The translation is necessary for viewers like myself but the music of the original is worlds apart and vastly higher.  For reasons like this I am trying to learn Italian and hear Leonardo's phrases directly.

After writing the above I watched a second video, by Nasim Khosravi, also very powerful.  The intonation of the name of a search engine to save us was striking, as was the invocation of taking shelter in plains from the river of oblivious haste.  The conversation of the mother and daughter contemplating the moon is marvelous and memorable, somewhat like a stage play or choreographed work functions in a scenic mode.  The image of emptying the seas of water is piercing.

I suppose for me the image I'm trying to see in Leonardo is multifaceted: part warning not to be swept away in the river of technological hubris -- not to identify with it as ego, not to buy its shallow promises, but to recognize its juggernaut, and then to choose to see, feel, and use the tiny windows in which it can be changed or woven metaphorically like a garment or a river's flow.  I suppose it's a reassertion of a kind of boundary, or a necessary membrane, as one of the poets -- Osorio I think -- mentions.  This allows the return of sight, for me, because without imagination of data visual input is nothing but debris, and for proprioception too, a seated figure turning toward us, invoking us, wearing the garment of all time and all artifice, and depicting the slight and fragile but salvific, immensely silent transformation of touch and gesture.

But I am almost certainly -- well, definitely certainly -- seeing what I want to see.  🙂

Your idea of obsolete technology as garment is an evocative metaphor very much along the lines of what I am proposing Leonardo to have suggested in the garment and bridge of the ML.  This idea, if true, would significantly shift the location of the ML in art's history and present with sizable implications.  And even if not "true," and only fictive, it could still be a shift!  (This calls into view the definitions of true and false which are often made according to various defaults rather than awareness.)  After all, no one has ever suggested that the ML is about the global crisis point of technology's evolution on the planet, but that is exactly the point we are at now!  The bridge represents the flow of the history of past technology and its influence on the garment of the present -- a kind of primeval or ur-technology that functions like fate which is also at the same time mundane and trivial, an old-fashioned foot- or cart- bridge, not unlike the obsolescent tech whose consequences we still "wear" even down to the synapses of memory and movement.

The "present garment" shown in the ML, by contrast, is a message of hope, peace, awareness, and balance, i.e. an "engineering design" for a positive planet-human-technology framework, and in this sense I find it to escape doctrine and place to a superb degree in realization of Leonardo's goal of an image accessible to all languages and cultures.  It's a utopia in the sense of "not yet" or "not fully" existing, but is fully grounded in the realism of all arts and sciences and in that sense adhres to the fundamentally possible.  My latest conception of this context, in an attempt to simplify what I desperately need to, is that Leonardo sought to create a highly resilient Early Modern work of sustainable engineering across all disciplines, arts, and sciences.  The great "turn" Leonardo tried to design for and help us navigate is therefore the turn to sustainability on all levels, and I see the cognitive or poetic spheres of this as well as the technological and environmental fabrics of this in the videos by Osorio and Khosravi.

Leonardo's depictions of disaster, annihilation, and the worst possible futures are also powerful and I would argue form a necessary contrast to the Mona Lisa (Esperienza) if we are to understand the sustainability orientation of his work.  Below is one I find most terrifying.

All very best and thanks for sharing the great project,

Max




Animals will be seen on the earth who will always be fighting against each other with the greatest loss and frequent deaths on each side. And there will be no end to their malignity; by their strong limbs we shall see a great portion of the trees of the vast forests laid low throughout the universe; and, when they are filled with food the satisfaction of their desires will be to deal death and grief and labour and wars and fury to every living thing; and from their immoderate pride they will desire to rise towards heaven, but the too great weight of their limbs will keep them down. Nothing will remain on earth, or under the earth or in the waters which will not be persecuted, disturbed and spoiled, and those of one country removed into another. And their bodies will become the sepulture and means of transit of all they have killed.
O Earth! why dost thou not open and engulf them in the fissures of thy vast abyss and caverns, and no longer display in the sight of heaven such a cruel and horrible monster.
"Of the Cruelty of Man"

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci



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Subject: [NetBehaviour] Max Herman text/response to Finsbury Park project

Beautiful and thought provoking, for me, the text of Max Herman about the Finsbury Park project!

Great food for thoughts for my latest personal work, which include making wearable and artist books with upcycled obsolete electronic devices http://suzonfuks.net/be-like-body-obsolete-4 - ...particularly about wearables and sustainability, the transformation of culture and the places of culture from static to moveable....

Very inspired by this paragraph:
look forward to the best and most necessary capabilities of technology and culture.  Our relationships to place, space and time, will be in many ways mediated and manifested by our technological "garments" which both provide us physical protection from the elements and help us to acquire and communicate our knowledge, ideas, and values.  Networks of every sort are indeed the habitation and habit in which we live our lives.

Thank you for sharing Ruth and Max for your writing!
cheers


Suzon

Max Herman via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote:

>
> Hi Ruth,
>
> This looks marvelously done and I look forward to viewing the projects!
>
> For some reason, looking at the overview link I got the sense that
> humanity is still in the early stages of integrating technology with a
> sustainable planet.  Up to now, so much of our history has been that of
> extraction to meet survival needs and gain competitive advantage.  When
> these are the compelling currents little else gets much breathing room.
>
> I wondered then: perhaps this applies to portable, wearable, and
> "hand-held" information technology as well.  For many centuries information
> and processing power were stored in fixed locations (monasteries, temples,
> museums) but now a much greater proportion circulates close to instantly.
> Items we easily carry on our person now perform many of the roles that
> cathedrals, pyramids, and universities once did.  (It is interesting that
> the French word for "wearable" is "portable."  ?)  Many of the most
> discouraging stories about information technology today have something of
> the robber baron dynamic as an undercurrent, but one can hope this will be
> relatively temporary as sustainability continues to assert itself as an
> alternative (or at the very least, a necessary complement) to extractive
> competition.
>
> The current Finsbury Park project seems like a very realistic and powerful
> look forward to the best and most necessary capabilities of technology and
> culture.  Our relationships to place, space and time, will be in many ways
> mediated and manifested by our technological "garments" which both provide
> us physical protection from the elements and help us to acquire and
> communicate our knowledge, ideas, and values.  Networks of every sort are
> indeed the habitation and habit in which we live our lives.  In this sense
> the trees and grounds of Finsbury Park will be woven into the living
> garment of techne worn and crafted by the visitors not just in the text,
> sound, and visual data that both the park and visitors reciprocally input
> and output but in the larger physical fate or future of each wrapped and
> braided with that of all others.
>
> Does it require an aesthetic and poetic awareness of tangible metaphor to
> experience the shared cloth of technology, people, place, and nature as a
> garment in the wearable, portable sense?  Yes for certain it does, but it
> is something all or many of us are very suitably cut out for, and everyone
> appreciates a nice outfit.  ?
>
> Congratulations on the project and best wishes for a lovely return to real
> and green space!
>
> All best,
>
> Max

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Dear Max,
This is beautiful.
I will share it with the Furtherfield team.
Thank you

Ruth

On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 3:34 PM Max Herman via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote:

>
> Hi Ruth,
>
> This looks marvelously done and I look forward to viewing the projects!
>
> For some reason, looking at the overview link I got the sense that
> humanity is still in the early stages of integrating technology with a
> sustainable planet.  Up to now, so much of our history has been that of
> extraction to meet survival needs and gain competitive advantage.  When
> these are the compelling currents little else gets much breathing room.
>
> I wondered then: perhaps this applies to portable, wearable, and
> "hand-held" information technology as well.  For many centuries information
> and processing power were stored in fixed locations (monasteries, temples,
> museums) but now a much greater proportion circulates close to instantly.
> Items we easily carry on our person now perform many of the roles that
> cathedrals, pyramids, and universities once did.  (It is interesting that
> the French word for "wearable" is "portable."  ?)  Many of the most
> discouraging stories about information technology today have something of
> the robber baron dynamic as an undercurrent, but one can hope this will be
> relatively temporary as sustainability continues to assert itself as an
> alternative (or at the very least, a necessary complement) to extractive
> competition.
>
> The current Finsbury Park project seems like a very realistic and powerful
> look forward to the best and most necessary capabilities of technology and
> culture.  Our relationships to place, space and time, will be in many ways
> mediated and manifested by our technological "garments" which both provide
> us physical protection from the elements and help us to acquire and
> communicate our knowledge, ideas, and values.  Networks of every sort are
> indeed the habitation and habit in which we live our lives.  In this sense
> the trees and grounds of Finsbury Park will be woven into the living
> garment of techne worn and crafted by the visitors not just in the text,
> sound, and visual data that both the park and visitors reciprocally input
> and output but in the larger physical fate or future of each wrapped and
> braided with that of all others.
>
> Does it require an aesthetic and poetic awareness of tangible metaphor to
> experience the shared cloth of technology, people, place, and nature as a
> garment in the wearable, portable sense?  Yes for certain it does, but it
> is something all or many of us are very suitably cut out for, and everyone
> appreciates a nice outfit.  ?
>
> Congratulations on the project and best wishes for a lovely return to real
> and green space!
>
> All best,
>
> Max
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* NetBehaviour <netbehaviour-bounces at lists.netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour-bounces at lists.netbehaviour.org>> on
> behalf of Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour <
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> *Cc:* Ruth Catlow <ruthcatlow at gmail.com<mailto:ruthcatlow at gmail.com>>
> *Subject:* [NetBehaviour] It's Voting Weekend: People?s Park Plinth x
> CultureStake at Furtherfield Gallery
>
> Hello,
> I hope you are all doing well!
>
> Firstly --- to any London-based or nearby people...
>
> *Join us for a weekend of collective decision making! & Pick the artwork
> you want to be made at scale for Finsbury Park! *
> Come to Finsbury Park on 14th & 15th August and discover 3 digital
> artworks then decide which one you think belongs in the heart of Finsbury
> Park and we?ll work with the artist to make it bigger for Autumn 2021.
> *https://www.furtherfield.org/voting-weekend-peoples-park-plinth-x-culturestake/
> <https://www.furtherfield.org/voting-weekend-peoples-park-plinth-x-culturestake/>*
>
> *All Non-Londoners* - the online vote will open on Tuesday and remain
> open till 31 August* so please do sign up for your magical voting token*
> and take part.
>
> This has been a HUGE project for us - and we are only at the beginning -
> and we'd love to hear your thoughts on the work and the project in general.
>
>
> ===========
> On a personal note.
>
> 12-5 today and tomorrow I will be at the gallery in Finsbury Park  for the
> first time in nearly 18 months due to pandemic closures.
>
> I am so excited at the prospect of seeing people in the flesh and hanging
> out in the park. We are really excited about the artworks on show and would
> really love to see any of you if you have the time and can make it.
>
> Also, sorry for the long silence on Netbehaviour renewal. I got ill and
> had to take a couple of weeks out, then had to give full focus to this
> project. I will get back to you to close the loop.
>
> Maybe see you later today or tomorrow.
> Hope so! ;)
>
> Warmly
> Ruth
>
>
>
> --
> Ruth Catlow
> she/her
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> Lab
> +44 (0) 77370 02879
>
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>
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Dear Alan,

Thanks for your interesting questions.
This weekend was the seed of a project that could grow in all kinds of
places and ways depending on how and by whom it is cultivated :)

>Does there have to be just one plinth?
>Given I think the AR, you might have the entire park plinthified? So that
multiple works would be seen among everything the park has to offer?
We are taking the whole park as a single metaphorical plinth - more for
reasons of ease of communication to a diverse audience, than any other. But
we could also think of it fractally as a people's park plinth full of
people's park plinths etc.
Next year we are thinking about creating all different kinds of portal
points onto the "plinth"

>So that anyone might participate, put up an artwork?
That could also be a future direction, I can imagine that working really
beautifully.

>Not sure re voting, should non-residents have a say?
While we agree that residents should have most say (which is why we have
local vote weighting) It's very important to us that non-local people vote.
We are still working out all the reasons why exactly this is but here are
some of them.
1. Artists and Cultural organisations often make work that is
context-and-community specific, but as the works in People's Park Plinth
show, they also have a place on an international arts stage- why deny input
from a wider audience?
2. We have many diasporic communities in Finsbury Park, and all of the
artworks connect with specific local community groups (formed around a
variety of cultural, sporting, and growing activities). It is exciting to
us that local residents might share the work  and conversations with their
families and friends in other countries. Giving them the chance to vote
gives a little more sense of agency and connection.
3. It feels like an intrinsic good to create new ways for people to feel
the local and global context as simultaneous and connected.

>Love the decentralization!
Woohoo!

[image: 133_HD_210814_5152_?? Hydar Dewachi.jpg]
>From Saturday's voting
:)
Ruth


On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 12:13 AM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote:

> This is really interesting!
> Does there have to be just one plinth? Given I think the AR, you might
> have the entire park plinthified? So that multiple works would be seen
> among everything the park has to offer?
> So that anyone might participate, put up an artwork?
> Not sure re voting, should non-residents have a say?
> Love the decentralization!
>
> Best, Alan
>
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 4:32 AM Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I hope you are all doing well!
>>
>> Firstly --- to any London-based or nearby people...
>>
>> *Join us for a weekend of collective decision making! & Pick the artwork
>> you want to be made at scale for Finsbury Park! *
>> Come to Finsbury Park on 14th & 15th August and discover 3 digital
>> artworks then decide which one you think belongs in the heart of Finsbury
>> Park and we?ll work with the artist to make it bigger for Autumn 2021.
>> *https://www.furtherfield.org/voting-weekend-peoples-park-plinth-x-culturestake/
>> <https://www.furtherfield.org/voting-weekend-peoples-park-plinth-x-culturestake/>*
>>
>> *All Non-Londoners* - the online vote will open on Tuesday and remain
>> open till 31 August* so please do sign up for your magical voting token*
>> and take part.
>>
>> This has been a HUGE project for us - and we are only at the beginning -
>> and we'd love to hear your thoughts on the work and the project in general.
>>
>>
>> ===========
>> On a personal note.
>>
>> 12-5 today and tomorrow I will be at the gallery in Finsbury Park  for
>> the first time in nearly 18 months due to pandemic closures.
>>
>> I am so excited at the prospect of seeing people in the flesh and hanging
>> out in the park. We are really excited about the artworks on show and would
>> really love to see any of you if you have the time and can make it.
>>
>> Also, sorry for the long silence on Netbehaviour renewal. I got ill and
>> had to take a couple of weeks out, then had to give full focus to this
>> project. I will get back to you to close the loop.
>>
>> Maybe see you later today or tomorrow.
>> Hope so! ;)
>>
>> Warmly
>> Ruth
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ruth Catlow
>> she/her
>> Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts
>> Lab
>> +44 (0) 77370 02879
>>
>> *I will only agree to speak at events that are racially and gender
>> balanced.
>>
>> **sending thanks
>> <https://www.ovoenergy.com/ovo-newsroom/press-releases/2019/november/think-before-you-thank-if-every-brit-sent-one-less-thank-you-email-a-day-we-would-save-16433-tonnes-of-carbon-a-year-the-same-as-81152-flights-to-madrid.html> in
>> advance
>>
>> *Furtherfield *disrupts and democratises art and technology through exhibitions,
>> labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free thinking.
>> furtherfield.org<http://furtherfield.org> <http://www.furtherfield.org/>
>>
>> *DECAL* Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0
>> technologies research hub
>>
>> for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now.
>>
>> decal.is<http://decal.is> <http://www.decal.is>
>>
>> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company Limited by Guarantee
>>
>> Registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205.
>>
>> Registered business address: Carbon Accountancy, 80-83 Long Lane, London,
>> EC1A 9ET.
>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 15:41:10 +0100
From: Ruth Catlow <ruthcatlow at gmail.com<mailto:ruthcatlow at gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] It's Voting Weekend: People?s Park Plinth
        x CultureStake at Furtherfield Gallery
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Thanks Sarah!

I'm so excited you voted and liked the idea even though you are not living
nearby.
Thank you!

:)
Ruth

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:47 PM Sarah Dixon Art <
sarah at sarahdixonfineart.co.uk<mailto:sarah at sarahdixonfineart.co.uk>> wrote:

> oh yes i love this - especially the hidden away pdf attachment about the
> cultural voting process and how to replicate it.
> voted! and i live far from london town.
> perhaps i shall come to finsbury park again one day.
>
> On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 at 09:30, Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I hope you are all doing well!
>>
>> Firstly --- to any London-based or nearby people...
>>
>> *Join us for a weekend of collective decision making! & Pick the artwork
>> you want to be made at scale for Finsbury Park! *
>> Come to Finsbury Park on 14th & 15th August and discover 3 digital
>> artworks then decide which one you think belongs in the heart of Finsbury
>> Park and we?ll work with the artist to make it bigger for Autumn 2021.
>> *https://www.furtherfield.org/voting-weekend-peoples-park-plinth-x-culturestake/
>> <https://www.furtherfield.org/voting-weekend-peoples-park-plinth-x-culturestake/>*
>>
>> *All Non-Londoners* - the online vote will open on Tuesday and remain
>> open till 31 August* so please do sign up for your magical voting token*
>> and take part.
>>
>> This has been a HUGE project for us - and we are only at the beginning -
>> and we'd love to hear your thoughts on the work and the project in general.
>>
>>
>> ===========
>> On a personal note.
>>
>> 12-5 today and tomorrow I will be at the gallery in Finsbury Park  for
>> the first time in nearly 18 months due to pandemic closures.
>>
>> I am so excited at the prospect of seeing people in the flesh and hanging
>> out in the park. We are really excited about the artworks on show and would
>> really love to see any of you if you have the time and can make it.
>>
>> Also, sorry for the long silence on Netbehaviour renewal. I got ill and
>> had to take a couple of weeks out, then had to give full focus to this
>> project. I will get back to you to close the loop.
>>
>> Maybe see you later today or tomorrow.
>> Hope so! ;)
>>
>> Warmly
>> Ruth
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ruth Catlow
>> she/her
>> Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts
>> Lab
>> +44 (0) 77370 02879
>>
>> *I will only agree to speak at events that are racially and gender
>> balanced.
>>
>> **sending thanks
>> <https://www.ovoenergy.com/ovo-newsroom/press-releases/2019/november/think-before-you-thank-if-every-brit-sent-one-less-thank-you-email-a-day-we-would-save-16433-tonnes-of-carbon-a-year-the-same-as-81152-flights-to-madrid.html> in
>> advance
>>
>> *Furtherfield *disrupts and democratises art and technology through exhibitions,
>> labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free thinking.
>> furtherfield.org<http://furtherfield.org> <http://www.furtherfield.org/>
>>
>> *DECAL* Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0
>> technologies research hub
>>
>> for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now.
>>
>> decal.is<http://decal.is> <http://www.decal.is>
>>
>> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company Limited by Guarantee
>>
>> Registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205.
>>
>> Registered business address: Carbon Accountancy, 80-83 Long Lane, London,
>> EC1A 9ET.
>>
>>
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--
Ruth Catlow
she/her
Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts
Lab
+44 (0) 77370 02879

*I will only agree to speak at events that are racially and gender
balanced.

**sending thanks
<https://www.ovoenergy.com/ovo-newsroom/press-releases/2019/november/think-before-you-thank-if-every-brit-sent-one-less-thank-you-email-a-day-we-would-save-16433-tonnes-of-carbon-a-year-the-same-as-81152-flights-to-madrid.html>
in
advance

*Furtherfield *disrupts and democratises art and technology through
exhibitions,
labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free thinking.
furtherfield.org<http://furtherfield.org> <http://www.furtherfield.org/>

*DECAL* Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 technologies
research hub

for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now.

decal.is<http://decal.is> <http://www.decal.is>

Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company Limited by Guarantee

Registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205.

Registered business address: Carbon Accountancy, 80-83 Long Lane, London,
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:32:40 -0400
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at gmail.com<mailto:sondheim at gmail.com>>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
        <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>>
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] It's Voting Weekend: People?s Park Plinth
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Hi and thank you for your wonderful response. I'm reminded of the work of
David Harris Smith in Canada, the Hitchbot but also David Clark's
distributed works about the international timeline and other site-specific
AR work he's done. There were also a number of artists working with AR in
relation to U.S. cityscape history and events, including Mark Swarek and
Will Pappenheimer. And of course things like the Highline in NY have had AR
works along it. I wonder if there's a network of geographies and AR
practitioners in relation to histories etc. and I'm losing myself here!
Again, thank you!

Best, Alan

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:43 AM Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote:

> Dear Alan,
>
> Thanks for your interesting questions.
> This weekend was the seed of a project that could grow in all kinds of
> places and ways depending on how and by whom it is cultivated :)
>
> >Does there have to be just one plinth?
> >Given I think the AR, you might have the entire park plinthified? So that
> multiple works would be seen among everything the park has to offer?
> We are taking the whole park as a single metaphorical plinth - more for
> reasons of ease of communication to a diverse audience, than any other. But
> we could also think of it fractally as a people's park plinth full of
> people's park plinths etc.
> Next year we are thinking about creating all different kinds of portal
> points onto the "plinth"
>
> >So that anyone might participate, put up an artwork?
> That could also be a future direction, I can imagine that working really
> beautifully.
>
> >Not sure re voting, should non-residents have a say?
> While we agree that residents should have most say (which is why we have
> local vote weighting) It's very important to us that non-local people vote.
> We are still working out all the reasons why exactly this is but here are
> some of them.
> 1. Artists and Cultural organisations often make work that is
> context-and-community specific, but as the works in People's Park Plinth
> show, they also have a place on an international arts stage- why deny input
> from a wider audience?
> 2. We have many diasporic communities in Finsbury Park, and all of the
> artworks connect with specific local community groups (formed around a
> variety of cultural, sporting, and growing activities). It is exciting to
> us that local residents might share the work  and conversations with their
> families and friends in other countries. Giving them the chance to vote
> gives a little more sense of agency and connection.
> 3. It feels like an intrinsic good to create new ways for people to feel
> the local and global context as simultaneous and connected.
>
> >Love the decentralization!
> Woohoo!
>
> [image: 133_HD_210814_5152_?? Hydar Dewachi.jpg]
> From Saturday's voting
> :)
> Ruth
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 12:13 AM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote:
>
>> This is really interesting!
>> Does there have to be just one plinth? Given I think the AR, you might
>> have the entire park plinthified? So that multiple works would be seen
>> among everything the park has to offer?
>> So that anyone might participate, put up an artwork?
>> Not sure re voting, should non-residents have a say?
>> Love the decentralization!
>>
>> Best, Alan
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 4:32 AM Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour <
>> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I hope you are all doing well!
>>>
>>> Firstly --- to any London-based or nearby people...
>>>
>>> *Join us for a weekend of collective decision making! & Pick the artwork
>>> you want to be made at scale for Finsbury Park! *
>>> Come to Finsbury Park on 14th & 15th August and discover 3 digital
>>> artworks then decide which one you think belongs in the heart of Finsbury
>>> Park and we?ll work with the artist to make it bigger for Autumn 2021.
>>> *https://www.furtherfield.org/voting-weekend-peoples-park-plinth-x-culturestake/
>>> <https://www.furtherfield.org/voting-weekend-peoples-park-plinth-x-culturestake/>*
>>>
>>> *All Non-Londoners* - the online vote will open on Tuesday and remain
>>> open till 31 August* so please do sign up for your magical voting token*
>>> and take part.
>>>
>>> This has been a HUGE project for us - and we are only at the beginning -
>>> and we'd love to hear your thoughts on the work and the project in general.
>>>
>>>
>>> ===========
>>> On a personal note.
>>>
>>> 12-5 today and tomorrow I will be at the gallery in Finsbury Park  for
>>> the first time in nearly 18 months due to pandemic closures.
>>>
>>> I am so excited at the prospect of seeing people in the flesh and
>>> hanging out in the park. We are really excited about the artworks on show
>>> and would really love to see any of you if you have the time and can make
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Also, sorry for the long silence on Netbehaviour renewal. I got ill and
>>> had to take a couple of weeks out, then had to give full focus to this
>>> project. I will get back to you to close the loop.
>>>
>>> Maybe see you later today or tomorrow.
>>> Hope so! ;)
>>>
>>> Warmly
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ruth Catlow
>>> she/her
>>> Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised
>>> Arts Lab
>>> +44 (0) 77370 02879
>>>
>>> *I will only agree to speak at events that are racially and gender
>>> balanced.
>>>
>>> **sending thanks
>>> <https://www.ovoenergy.com/ovo-newsroom/press-releases/2019/november/think-before-you-thank-if-every-brit-sent-one-less-thank-you-email-a-day-we-would-save-16433-tonnes-of-carbon-a-year-the-same-as-81152-flights-to-madrid.html> in
>>> advance
>>>
>>> *Furtherfield *disrupts and democratises art and technology through exhibitions,
>>> labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free thinking.
>>> furtherfield.org<http://furtherfield.org> <http://www.furtherfield.org/>
>>>
>>> *DECAL* Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0
>>> technologies research hub
>>>
>>> for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now.
>>>
>>> decal.is<http://decal.is> <http://www.decal.is>
>>>
>>> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company Limited by Guarantee
>>>
>>> Registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205.
>>>
>>> Registered business address: Carbon Accountancy, 80-83 Long Lane,
>>> London, EC1A 9ET.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NetBehaviour mailing list
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>>> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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> Ruth Catlow
> she/her
> Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts
> Lab
> +44 (0) 77370 02879
>
> *I will only agree to speak at events that are racially and gender
> balanced.
>
> **sending thanks
> <https://www.ovoenergy.com/ovo-newsroom/press-releases/2019/november/think-before-you-thank-if-every-brit-sent-one-less-thank-you-email-a-day-we-would-save-16433-tonnes-of-carbon-a-year-the-same-as-81152-flights-to-madrid.html> in
> advance
>
> *Furtherfield *disrupts and democratises art and technology through exhibitions,
> labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free thinking.
> furtherfield.org<http://furtherfield.org> <http://www.furtherfield.org/>
>
> *DECAL* Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0
> technologies research hub
>
> for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now.
>
> decal.is<http://decal.is> <http://www.decal.is>
>
> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company Limited by Guarantee
>
> Registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205.
>
> Registered business address: Carbon Accountancy, 80-83 Long Lane, London,
> EC1A 9ET.
>
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