[NetBehaviour] looking back in time into absences

Wed Dec 29 23:04:43 UTC 2021

dear Alan, and all:

Thanks for your reply on the Watts Telescope launch, and you are enlightening me about your confidence in astronomy's reach back in time, 13+ billion years you think? reaching out to the furthest reaches of the universe, catching what exactly? light rays or waves that stretch back in time to darker matter, at the infancy of the universe? birth pains of all this, what you acknowledge might put "us" into perspective --  you mean humans and our earth and how we have steadily managed to destroy or damage it?  
I think my comment about the 'interested engineer' who is not nervous was a question; not about idealisms in the search you see in astronomers who build telescopes, rather I marveled at the arrogance of a technological/mathematical mind set of programmability  ("when you see a problem you develop a plan to overcome it and we've done that")  that, in my view, contributes to the extraction, domination and colonization policies that will have led to the demise of the earth. And also to death (Frank Wilderson, in his book on Afropessimism, probably would call this mindset "presumptive logic", and structurally permanently damaging). 

with regards
Johannes Birringer

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Sent: 28 December 2021 00:37
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Hi Johannes,

I don't think the engineer was arrogant at all; given the enormous parameters and difficulty of the launch, it's fantastic. And yes, the telescope is meant to look back into billions of years, 13+, given that I think it's around 14 billion or somewhat under - this will give us an indication of the various origin models, more information (I think) about dark matter, the overall structure of the universe, all these things to put us in perspective, if we listen. It's primarily infrared, and it records than at much longer wavelengths that can reach us with more information than the usual visual spectrum. It will complement gravitation wave astronomy on one end and radio astronomy as well; the more is seen, the more can be learned. There are a lot of great accounts online about what it means and NASA had a two hour program carried on space.com<http://space.com> which must be available on YouTube, explaining all of this during the launch. Sometimes, just briefly, the world feels filled with wonder...

love Alan and Happy Holidays, if such is possible, and even if not, to everyone -

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 6:32 PM Johannes Birringer via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org<mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote:
dear all
Alan's writing has made me want to throw out a question about looking back (not Wittgenstein in the imaginary car, this time).

>
you feel absence. absence is no longer silent, disappeared, beyond
the pale. you are beyond the pale...
>

if we are beyond such pale, as I think it's true to say, then what are the space agencies up to with their 10 billion dollar J Webb Telescope?
I arrived in Houston a few days ago, and my old NASA friends talk about it, somewhat vividly, but I realize I'd been unawares. So this telescope
is meant to look back into a deep past, millions of years? near the beginnings of the universe, following fossilized light?
how does that work - do we have astronomers amongst us? And what are they trying to find?

ps. on the monitors that track the flight of Ariane 5 rocket, the yellow line exactly followed its programmed green path. Meticulously.
The chief scientist/inventor of this nicely designed gadget was asked if he'd be nervous during the launch and deployment, and he surprised everyone by simply saying "No, not nervous, interested. We've broached every problem that we can foresee, when you see a problem you develop a plan to overcome it and we've done that. So this is a test of whether we came up with the right answers."

So this is an interested engineer's arrogant response, I'd guess?

regards
Johannes Birringer

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Sent: 26 December 2021 22:29

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name AI

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your skin is not your own. not your body. you learn here: you
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