[NetBehaviour] Free speech

Alan Sondheim sondheim at gmail.com
Fri Jan 8 22:22:26 CET 2021


It's also related to "filter bubbles" - trying to push content that we
appear to be interested in, and not allowing problematic or contradictory
materials in. And we can't turn this off at all. It's a push phenomenology,
not a pull one; it resides with the corporate and god knows what else, not
with us. There are times I think it's dangerous to click on X, because it
will suddenly "blossom" in the feed; the only way around this would be to
have multiple machines and multiple accounts...

All of us need to deal with this!

Best, Alan

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 3:10 PM Edward Picot via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:

> I'm genuinely conflicted about it.
>
> It occurs to me to wonder how the algorithms work - if I look at a video
> about conspiracy theories on YouTube, for example, am I then presented with
> a lot more videos about conspiracy theories next time I visit? I think the
> answer to this is probably yes, because I looked at a video of Trump doing
> his YMCA dance (which apparently he does quite frequently at the end of his
> rallies), thinking about re-using it for satirical purposes, and now every
> time I go to YouTube it wants me to look at more videos of Trump dancing.
>
> I think the algorithms are one of the most insidious and damaging aspects
> of Web 2 - instead of genuinely exploring the web and coming across new
> things, which I seem to remember we used to do in the early 2000s, we now
> find ourselves in a commercialised feedback-loop which presents us over and
> over again with amplified (and monetized) versions of whatever beliefs and
> ideas and interests we had in the first place. Perhaps there's some mileage
> in legislating against the algorithms.
>
> Edward
>
>
> On 08/01/2021 19:16, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour wrote:
>
> I think some safeguards need to be put into place; if you look at the
> propaganda-machine-work in Nazi Germany, it can do terrible harm. But in
> the U.S. under Reagen, the fairness doctrine was scrapped, which meant
> local news outlets of all sorts could be grabbed up by opinionated
> multi-nationals, and you get people like Rush Linbaugh spreading hatred
> unchallenged in rural areas - probably the biggest swatch of territory in
> the country. That's where "these people" get their news, unchallenged. It's
> far-right-wing money. I also think hate speech might be covered more
> directly - one of the tshirts at the riot said in abbreviated form - 6
> million is not enough. What do you do with that?
>
> Best, Alan (mind you I've been censored on YouTube and elsewhere myself, I
> think unfairly, so you might make a counter-argument that it's all in the
> eye/ear of the beholder. It's an aporia.)
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:07 PM Edward Picot via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>
>> What do people think - have we reached the point at which social media
>> companies should be prosecuted for allowing hate-speech, incitements to
>> violence, demonstrable untruths and conspiracy theories to be uploaded
>> onto their sites?
>>
>> Should they be regarded as publishers, and therefore legally responsible
>> for their content?
>>
>> I'm genuinely torn, but I think maybe we've now reached that point. I'd
>> be very interested to hear what others think.
>>
>> Edward
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