[NetBehaviour] The Uncanny Vibe
eryk.salvaggio at gmail.com
Mon Jul 12 16:25:55 CEST 2021
Agree that the body can be lost in this music. From my early days of
looking at (vs creating) AI sounds and art, one of the questions I kept
coming back to is, "why do we care?" I'm still a bit of a surrealist: I see
art as a way of bringing about what is otherwise unconscious, and I spend a
lot of time wondering if machines can find the unconscious hidden within
the massive datasets they're trained on -- and if so, what is that the
unconscious "of"? It's tempting to confuse that with a "spirit" or
"unconscious" *in the machine*, but that would be projection. A technical
look at the process strips away much of the magic: the body isn't there, so
the mind is incomplete.
Do you still have that article on virtual idols?
On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 11:30 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
> Listening now, quite like this. I've used Miku Miku software, that was a
> long time ago, I think the version I have wouldn't run now.
> I think re: The Human Use of Human Beings there's a split; as you might
> know, my own music emphasizes the physicality of playing; I've was
> influenced decades ago by Albert Ayler, Guiseppe Logan, etc., free jazz
> musicians and musics that was based on the body, the cry, the testimonial,
> and so forth - music in bodies in music. From that viewpoint, constructed
> music relates to areas like AI poetics, in other words the body is lost in
> construction and for me there's a troubling politics in that (again, as in
> AI poetry).
> That said, I love this and the seductive quality of the music. FWIW, I
> wrote an article years ago on Kyoko Date, Date Kyoko, one of the earliest
> and most popular virtual idols; we have the original cd-rom here, and of
> course the voices sound somewhat similar. It's a fascinating area!
> And love the back-beat almost withdrawn lyrics of The Central Memory!
> Thanks, Alan
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 7:55 PM Anthony Stephenson via NetBehaviour <
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>>> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:33:26 -0400
>>> From: Eryk Salvaggio <eryk.salvaggio at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [NetBehaviour] The Uncanny Vibe
>>> Here's an experimental text. For a while now, I have been creating pop
>>> music in collaboration with machine learning systems in a project called
>>> Organizing Committee <https://www.cyberneticforests.com/music>.
>>> ... What do you all think?
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