[NetBehaviour] analogy and AI poetry

Paul Hertz ignotus at gmail.com
Wed Jul 14 21:10:03 CEST 2021

Hi Max,

The robotics researcher Rodney Brooks back in the late 1980s argued the AI
based on the construction of a "knowledge base" was bound to fail. He made
the case that a robot adapting to an environment was far more likely to
achieve intelligence of the sort that humans demonstrate precisely because
it was embodied. Some of his ideas are presented in the movie Fast, Cheap,
and Out of Control, directed ISTR by Errol Morris. If you haven't seen it
yet, I can recommend it.

-- Paul

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:38 PM Max Herman via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I know virtually nothing about AI, beyond what the letters stand for, but
> noticed this new article in Quanta Magazine.  Does it pertain at all?
> Interestingly it concludes that in order for AI to be human-like it will
> need to understand analogy, the basis of abstraction, which may require it
> to have a body!  🙂
> https://www.quantamagazine.org/melanie-mitchell-trains-ai-to-think-with-analogies-20210714/?mc_cid=362710ae88&mc_eid=df8a5187d9
> I have been interested in the book *GEB *by Hofstadter for some time, and
> have been researching how it was referenced (specifically its Chapter IV
> "Consistency, Completeness, and Geometry" and its Introduction) by Italo
> Calvino in *Six Memos for the Next Millennium*, so Mitchell's connection
> to Hofstadter and *GEB *is interesting on a general level.
> Coincidentally I contacted her a year ago to ask about the Calvino
> connection but she replied she hadn't read any Calvino or the *Six Memos*.
> However, his titles for the six memos -- Lightness, Quickness, Exactitude,
> Visibility, Multiplicity, and Consistency -- might be exactly the kinds of
> "bodily" senses AI will need to have!
> All best,
> Max
> https://www.etymonline.com/word/analogy
> https://www.etymonline.com/word/analogue
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