[NetBehaviour] analogy and AI poetry

Graziano Milano grazmaster at googlemail.com
Wed Jul 14 22:02:12 CEST 2021


Hi Max,

Here is one of Leonardo Da Vinci’s famous quotes:
*“Nature is the source of all true knowledge. She has her own logic, her
own laws, she has no effect without cause nor invention without necessity.”*

Therefore our Natural Intelligence is and will always be much more creative
and artistic than Artificial Intelligence.

Graziano

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 20:57, Stephanie Strickland <
stephanie.strickland at gm.slc.edu> wrote:

> *https://www.quantamagazine.org/same-or-different-ai-cant-tell-20210623/
> <https://www.quantamagazine.org/same-or-different-ai-cant-tell-20210623/>*
> Stephanie
>
> Stephanie Strickland
>
> My new books are
>
> *Ringing the Changes <http://www.stephaniestrickland.com/ringing>*  & *
> How the Universe Is Made <http://www.stephaniestrickland.com/how>*
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:38 PM Paul Hertz via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>
>> There's an essay, "Intelligence Without Representation" that Brooks wrote
>> in 1987, http://people.csail.mit.edu/brooks/papers/representation.pdf,
>> that offered what was then a new point of view on how to consider AI.
>>
>> // Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 2:10 PM Paul Hertz <ignotus at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Max,
>>>
>>> The robotics researcher Rodney Brooks back in the late 1980s argued the
>>> AI based on the construction of a "knowledge base" was bound to fail. He
>>> made the case that a robot adapting to an environment was far more likely
>>> to achieve intelligence of the sort that humans demonstrate precisely
>>> because it was embodied. Some of his ideas are presented in the movie Fast,
>>> Cheap, and Out of Control, directed ISTR by Errol Morris. If you haven't
>>> seen it yet, I can recommend it.
>>>
>>> -- Paul
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:38 PM Max Herman via NetBehaviour <
>>> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I know virtually nothing about AI, beyond what the letters stand for,
>>>> but noticed this new article in Quanta Magazine.  Does it pertain at all?
>>>> Interestingly it concludes that in order for AI to be human-like it will
>>>> need to understand analogy, the basis of abstraction, which may require it
>>>> to have a body!  🙂
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.quantamagazine.org/melanie-mitchell-trains-ai-to-think-with-analogies-20210714/?mc_cid=362710ae88&mc_eid=df8a5187d9
>>>>
>>>> I have been interested in the book *GEB *by Hofstadter for some time,
>>>> and have been researching how it was referenced (specifically its Chapter
>>>> IV "Consistency, Completeness, and Geometry" and its Introduction) by Italo
>>>> Calvino in *Six Memos for the Next Millennium*, so Mitchell's
>>>> connection to Hofstadter and *GEB *is interesting on a general level.
>>>>
>>>> Coincidentally I contacted her a year ago to ask about the Calvino
>>>> connection but she replied she hadn't read any Calvino or the *Six
>>>> Memos*.  However, his titles for the six memos -- Lightness,
>>>> Quickness, Exactitude, Visibility, Multiplicity, and Consistency -- might
>>>> be exactly the kinds of "bodily" senses AI will need to have!
>>>>
>>>> All best,
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>> https://www.etymonline.com/word/analogy
>>>> https://www.etymonline.com/word/analogue
>>>>
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