[NetBehaviour] response to lists.

Alan Sondheim sondheim at gmail.com
Fri Jun 4 21:21:32 CEST 2021

Hi, a few points,

I'm not sure why you say "the little part Alan and I have in common" - I
think we have a lot, but I may be wrong.
With empyre, the situation is very different; it's a moderated,
subject-oriented list with guest moderators and other guests; it's been
incredibly useful to me, But it seems to me that Netbehaviour really isn't
moderated in a very deep way (that also parallels the two lists I run btw);
people can say what they want and the conversations cover any number of
topics. I was thrilled when Annie and Johannes asked me about my practice,
and I'm thrilled as well with the conversations here in general.
In other words, Netbehaviour is a form of commons; it's more like Occupy
than a symposium (although there were symposia at Occupy, and there are
symposia and resources announced and referenced on Netbehaviour).
Again, I think the beauty of this particular commons is its openness; the
moderation is a kind of a-moderation.
In that sense it reminds me of the old newsgroups which were very often
open with loose topics, but it's better because we don't have trolls etc.
It's a remarkable space.
You say also "I think Alan opened up a useful conversation, although he
does this at times when things get quiet as I remember at least two or
three other similar prompts." - I'm not sure why "although" - since when
the list is busy, there's no reason to reconsider the dynamics of the list.
The same thing has happened on other lists with other people raising
similar issues, and since I post daily here, I worry about being or
becoming a nuisance, rather than a valued project of sorts.

Best, Alan

Best, Alan

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 2:47 PM <pl at voyd.com> wrote:

> Hello, everyone.
> My partner in all things, Negin Ehtesabian and I just finished moderating
> the month at Empyre, which was a challenge as I had been in a different
> noospace in Arabia for the past 5 years, and it has been a bit of a shock
> re-entering, and not for any reasons you might think. Or might.
> I think Alan opened up a useful conversation, although he does this at
> times when things get quiet as I remember at least two or three other
> similar prompts.
> But I think it's so different this time is the outpouring of support, or
> proportionally cell, for the conversation. On empire I found it hard, I'll
> be at May, to get a lot of participation, and I have heard the commentary
> of colleagues saying that they had been watching but not participating.
> When talking about this list, I think the responses have been really
> interesting. It's obvious that we value this list. The question is to what
> position do each of us place ourselves in; producer or consumer - the issue
> is that it seems that most of us are largely in the consumer area, because
> we are simply overwhelmed with so many different types of media.
> It also seems to me that a number of moderators of the traditional list
> serves want to turn it over to someone else at this point, because the
> lists have become less active, and I think that this is unavoidable, but I
> also think that a little bit of a change in vision may be in order. In the
> case of empyre Renate wants to actually not hand it over to anyone else but
> to shut it down, which I honestly think is a crime. However, I think that a
> lot of these sorts of spaces have become discords, and that's a whole other
> conversation.
> Also with the upcoming generations I realize that list serves seem really
> anachronistic, but I also see them as one of the few places in which a more
> direct non-branded approach to social interaction as possible, and I think
> that is incredibly important.
> Of course, there are a few critical issues in play; what are our roles
> within this list, and who wants to be responsible for community?
> Personally, I would beseech Ruth and Marc to please try to stay with it for
> 6 to 12 more months and enter a more direct dialogue about this. Although I
> have been much more of a lurker in my time in Arabia, I am still a staunch
> supporter of this particular group, in bed I put most of my support behind
> it when I decided to be less active in rhizome because I felt that their
> support of community had largely fallen away. I know that we are all moving
> on in our lives a bit, using a bit of Arabian tact, but I still think that
> this community is tremendously necessary.
> However like most of us I currently do not have the resources in the short
> term to take over the list. However, I do have resources at my disposal
> that could possibly work that out in the long run but I can't make any
> promises.
> The one thing that Alan and Johannes made very good points about is the
> sharing of our work and announcements and so on. This has dried up a lot in
> the last few years, and I think this is something to take note. It's fine
> if we promote a little bit or if we share our work or get some feedback I
> think this is great. In the end art is about sharing and giving mutual
> support, and I think that later generations may look at this as being
> self-promotional when it doesn't necessarily have to be. Enough of that.
> As my partner Negin has been encouraging me to do, I have been trying to
> re-emerge into the community  more because the immediate, direct influence
> of American politics upon my life has been a weight. As with all the
> communities we inhabit the goal is as much to share the work but also to
> give support and care to everyone surrounding us in this community or any
> other. For now comma I will try to share more and talk more and be less of
> a consumer, and I hope that others will too. However as I grow older, comma
> I will try to share more and talk more and be less of a consumer, and I
> hope that others will too. However as I grow older, I wrestle more with my
> hidden disabilities which I learned a great deal more about a couple years
> ago, and see what's the best way forward is, and that is mainly the reason
> why I just don't jump up and say let me help run the list, this might be a
> possibility at another time but not now.
> In ending, I will let the little part Alan and I have in common in saying
> that I hope that this message is well met and that you all are doing well.
> I will do whatever I can to help.
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