[NetBehaviour] (Putting up a piece from a couple of day ago)

Ruth Catlow ruthcatlow at gmail.com
Tue Jun 8 10:57:48 CEST 2021

Dear All!

Firstly, Alan I also love your posts -the pattern which I think of as an
art ping, and the content (when I watch, listen, read it) is a portal into
your art practise which I really enjoy and value.

I also think that Alan has a point in saying that Marc and I should provide
a steer as list owners. I have a few ideas that I will share at the weekend
(it's a hardcore project week this week for me).

But in the meantime keeping the conversation open is allowing us to see and
feel the shape of the community. It has been so useful to hear from Gretta,
Patrick, Paul, Ana, Annie, Johannes, Erik and all. More please! We also
appreciate various offers from people to contribute financially to the
lists upkeep.

We regard the value in this list as the strange undefined collective
property of everyone who has ever contributed. But as it is currently set
up, it is not a Commons. I personally, would like it if it were.
We can also consider Annie's suggestion of letting it go. But if that's the
way it goes (and this is not what I want) it should certainly not be done
casually, rather with the ceremony befitting the splendour of all that has
ever occurred here ; )

I do want to reassure you Alan, we will make no sudden moves! The whole
point of discussing this now is that it is not an emergency. We just need
to work out who "we" are and what "we" want.


On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 11:48 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> I think we need some guidance; both Ruth and Marc seem unhappy with
> Netbehaviour as it is.
> I'm not sure myself whether to post or not.
> Certainly calls could be put out to all the subscribers to indicate
> whether they want to continue as such or not.
> It's all about "as such or not" I think. Technically, Marc and Ruth are
> list-owners, I believe. Ultimately they're responsible for the direction of
> the list in the sense that any of us could be unsubscribed at the very
> least.
> There are times I've had to unsub people and that's always painful, as
> would be, at least for us, shutting the list down.
> I have no idea what to do. I find the situation hugely depressing.
> Netbehaviour may be derailing, certainly as a commons. And the longer this
> discussion is drawn out, the worse
> things will get, at least that's been my experience.
> Meanwhile I keep writing/performing/worlding, whatever I do.
> Best, whatever that is,
> Alan
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 5:57 PM Johannes Birringer <
> Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Hello all. shapeshifters!
>> just watched Alan's video and also realized it may be the last one, as he
>> may not be posting his poetic writing and music here, anymore....
>> so I watch it as the last one Alan! thank you....
>> The conversations about how we might shift this "net- behavior" and
>> become more attuned again to what Ruth and Marc may have imagined -
>> "a place for free and open artistic experimentation with networked media,
>> and community building"  is very intriguing. I just reread the many
>> postings here, and am stimulated and confused, loving all the responses,
>> disagreeing with some......as it should be. I try to be short;  Ruth's
>> parables of the forest (and our poor presence as merely "ethnographic
>> peculiarities") inspired me:  >a campfire in some unmanaged ancient
>> woodland...>>......>>The woods around the campfire are full of watchers and
>> listeners (who knows who??)<<
>> ...the analogies resonated with me, especially over the last 14 months in
>> a pandemic that made me leave academia and spend more time in the forest,
>> recording, performing, linking up, in the valley, with my village
>> community, inventing new rituals, listening to others and what they thought
>> the "latende Allmende" (latent commons, as Anna Tsing calls it in her book
>> on mushrooms and living in the ruins of capitalism) might be like. No one
>> knew exactly, but we talked, and took our masks off.... and walked along
>> the river [see pic]
>> Well.. what is our "latende Allmende" going to be, with other (younger)
>> participants? do we know the age and gender of the members who post here? i
>> don't, and it never mattered, nor the the number of subscribers ("we don't
>> really know much about us") ? 643,  1625?  59?
>> is that true?
>> well, if the commons are evoked, and Furherfield's new director, and new
>> policies or strategic aims (inclusivity, intersectionality, link to local
>> neighborhood) are mentioned in the organization's remit, now what exactly
>> do you want us to do, in our shapeshifting? Have we not actually been
>> engaged....learning/contributing "about what it means to aim for a commons
>> of diverse cultures in connected physical to digital realms. It requires
>> careful planning, partnership building and a lot of production work"......
>> yes, it does. and we do.
>> with warm regards
>> Johannes Birringer
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