[NetBehaviour] (Putting up a piece from a couple of day ago)

Alan Sondheim sondheim at gmail.com
Tue Jun 8 11:22:28 CEST 2021


Hi Ruth,

I think you misunderstand, or I do. For me it is a Commons, absolutely,
precisely because it's not steered by anyone. Steering is restrictive; it
becomes something else, you're asserting power, of course, as list owners.
It's been running fine for everyone I've talked to. I think when you say
"feel the shape of the community" that also implies perhaps that you want a
different sort of commons, where you alter that shape.

None of us want to let it go and as far as I can tell, none of us have felt
we couldn't post or threatened or that we needed guidance or anything else.
There are lists that have tried that - Poetics, which ultimately collapsed;
the old Fiction of Philosophy list which I ran and tried to structure, and
so forth. I can find that sort of thing even on Facebook.

Clearly we have different ideas of the Commons; mine is similar to occupy,
comes from bottom up; yours is top down. I never meant to imply by the way
that you should steer the list, just the opposite.
It has to do with power, and clearly you and Marc have that and are
dissatisfied with what others find valuable and enjoy, a community from the
bottom up, and one that's pretty self-regulating.

If you let it go, there's no ceremony, it's a disaster based on your
decisions, not the members of the list. If it's that you're tired of
running it, because of technical issues, I'm sure a small group of us could
take that over; it's not difficult.

Best, Alan, getting increasingly despondent over all of this. And now I
have a close relative who has cancer, I might drop out. Argh.



On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 4:57 AM Ruth Catlow <ruthcatlow at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All!
>
> Firstly, Alan I also love your posts -the pattern which I think of as an
> art ping, and the content (when I watch, listen, read it) is a portal into
> your art practise which I really enjoy and value.
>
> I also think that Alan has a point in saying that Marc and I should
> provide a steer as list owners. I have a few ideas that I will share at the
> weekend (it's a hardcore project week this week for me).
>
> But in the meantime keeping the conversation open is allowing us to see
> and feel the shape of the community. It has been so useful to hear from
> Gretta, Patrick, Paul, Ana, Annie, Johannes, Erik and all. More please! We
> also appreciate various offers from people to contribute financially to the
> lists upkeep.
>
> We regard the value in this list as the strange undefined collective
> property of everyone who has ever contributed. But as it is currently set
> up, it is not a Commons. I personally, would like it if it were.
> We can also consider Annie's suggestion of letting it go. But if that's
> the way it goes (and this is not what I want) it should certainly not be
> done casually, rather with the ceremony befitting the splendour of all that
> has ever occurred here ; )
>
> I do want to reassure you Alan, we will make no sudden moves! The whole
> point of discussing this now is that it is not an emergency. We just need
> to work out who "we" are and what "we" want.
>
> Warmly
> Ruth
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 11:48 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I think we need some guidance; both Ruth and Marc seem unhappy with
>> Netbehaviour as it is.
>> I'm not sure myself whether to post or not.
>> Certainly calls could be put out to all the subscribers to indicate
>> whether they want to continue as such or not.
>> It's all about "as such or not" I think. Technically, Marc and Ruth are
>> list-owners, I believe. Ultimately they're responsible for the direction of
>> the list in the sense that any of us could be unsubscribed at the very
>> least.
>> There are times I've had to unsub people and that's always painful, as
>> would be, at least for us, shutting the list down.
>> I have no idea what to do. I find the situation hugely depressing.
>> Netbehaviour may be derailing, certainly as a commons. And the longer this
>> discussion is drawn out, the worse
>> things will get, at least that's been my experience.
>>
>> Meanwhile I keep writing/performing/worlding, whatever I do.
>>
>> Best, whatever that is,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 5:57 PM Johannes Birringer <
>> Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all. shapeshifters!
>>>
>>> just watched Alan's video and also realized it may be the last one, as
>>> he may not be posting his poetic writing and music here, anymore....
>>> so I watch it as the last one Alan! thank you....
>>>
>>> The conversations about how we might shift this "net- behavior" and
>>> become more attuned again to what Ruth and Marc may have imagined -
>>> "a place for free and open artistic experimentation with networked
>>> media, and community building"  is very intriguing. I just reread the many
>>> postings here, and am stimulated and confused, loving all the responses,
>>> disagreeing with some......as it should be. I try to be short;  Ruth's
>>> parables of the forest (and our poor presence as merely "ethnographic
>>> peculiarities") inspired me:  >a campfire in some unmanaged ancient
>>> woodland...>>......>>The woods around the campfire are full of watchers and
>>> listeners (who knows who??)<<
>>>
>>> ...the analogies resonated with me, especially over the last 14 months
>>> in a pandemic that made me leave academia and spend more time in the
>>> forest, recording, performing, linking up, in the valley, with my village
>>> community, inventing new rituals, listening to others and what they thought
>>> the "latende Allmende" (latent commons, as Anna Tsing calls it in her book
>>> on mushrooms and living in the ruins of capitalism) might be like. No one
>>> knew exactly, but we talked, and took our masks off.... and walked along
>>> the river [see pic]
>>>
>>> Well.. what is our "latende Allmende" going to be, with other (younger)
>>> participants? do we know the age and gender of the members who post here? i
>>> don't, and it never mattered, nor the the number of subscribers ("we don't
>>> really know much about us") ? 643,  1625?  59?
>>> is that true?
>>>
>>> well, if the commons are evoked, and Furherfield's new director, and new
>>> policies or strategic aims (inclusivity, intersectionality, link to local
>>> neighborhood) are mentioned in the organization's remit, now what exactly
>>> do you want us to do, in our shapeshifting? Have we not actually been
>>> engaged....learning/contributing "about what it means to aim for a commons
>>> of diverse cultures in connected physical to digital realms. It requires
>>> careful planning, partnership building and a lot of production work"......
>>>
>>> yes, it does. and we do.
>>>
>>>
>>> with warm regards
>>> Johannes Birringer
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
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