[NetBehaviour] (Putting up a piece from a couple of day ago)

marc garrett marc.garrett2 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 8 23:42:08 CEST 2021

Hi Helen,

Always lovely to hear from you,

In view of such a positive response by Netbehaviour users, I think the list
will carry on but, I was especially excited by Ana's words saying, “ We
must change something to keep the things as they are”. I think that's spot

I also really like the idea of having a live meeting to make a few key
decisions via Jistsi etc.

We can have a vote on things or a consensus-based approach.

I was reading and watching some videos about Upstage, it looks like it's
going well. And yes, I completely appreciate what you said about time doing
all this stuff. There's a lot of maintenance going on in the background for
this list, and an awful lot of emotional, psychic and conceptual energy. I
would never take away the love and time you've put into your projects
because they mean a lot to you, the same goes for us.

Will chat more about this to others on the list tomorrow.

Wishing you well.


On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 at 21:15, Helen Varley Jamieson <
helen at creative-catalyst.com> wrote:

> hi everyone,
> i am in an ongoing state of relentless overload so i've been unable to do
> much more than periodically delete all the netbehaviour emails (and
> multiple other lists). i just don't have the brain space for anything much
> at the moment, outisde of the online magdalena festival and UpStage (both
> going extremely well and very joyous, just all-consuming!!)
> so, having barely read any of the emails about the list, perhaps people
> have already said this - but for me netbehaviour has been for a very very
> long time an important refuge for me, even if i'm not so often active on
> it. i like that it has no imposed structure, it has no discussion topics or
> facilitators, it's allowed to be whatever people need it to be at the time.
> it has evolved and changed over the years, and at some point it will cease
> to exist, but it doesn't feel like it's reached that point yet. for me it's
> a valuable alternative to social media, which i find just too much effort.
> i really appreciate ruth & marc's gentle organic management of the list -
> i know it's work, i look after other lists & i'm not volunteering to take
> anything on. you've done it beautifully for a long time & you don't have to
> do it forever. maybe there are others out there with the motivation to take
> it on, maybe not. yes i would be sad if/when it ended, but if there's
> no-one to take it on then it's time has come.
> i've been reading about loss & grief recently as part of the work on the
> UpStage project, https://mobilise-demobilise.eu/ - in particular "hope &
> grief in the anthropocene" by lesley head, and "the living sea of waking
> dreams" by richard flanagan (both australians, incidentally) - about how
> crap we western humans are at dealing with grief and loss, and how
> important it is that we get better at it, because the future is going to
> involve a lot of loss (at least for those of us who lead privileged western
> lifestyles). i found both books - the first is an academic text & the
> second a novel - very powerful, honest, moving and ultimately hopeful. loss
> doesn't have to be a bad thing.
> h : )
> On 08.06.21 10:57, Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour wrote:
> Dear All!
> Firstly, Alan I also love your posts -the pattern which I think of as an
> art ping, and the content (when I watch, listen, read it) is a portal into
> your art practise which I really enjoy and value.
> I also think that Alan has a point in saying that Marc and I should
> provide a steer as list owners. I have a few ideas that I will share at the
> weekend (it's a hardcore project week this week for me).
> But in the meantime keeping the conversation open is allowing us to see
> and feel the shape of the community. It has been so useful to hear from
> Gretta, Patrick, Paul, Ana, Annie, Johannes, Erik and all. More please! We
> also appreciate various offers from people to contribute financially to the
> lists upkeep.
> We regard the value in this list as the strange undefined collective
> property of everyone who has ever contributed. But as it is currently set
> up, it is not a Commons. I personally, would like it if it were.
> We can also consider Annie's suggestion of letting it go. But if that's
> the way it goes (and this is not what I want) it should certainly not be
> done casually, rather with the ceremony befitting the splendour of all that
> has ever occurred here ; )
> I do want to reassure you Alan, we will make no sudden moves! The whole
> point of discussing this now is that it is not an emergency. We just need
> to work out who "we" are and what "we" want.
> Warmly
> Ruth
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 11:48 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I think we need some guidance; both Ruth and Marc seem unhappy with
>> Netbehaviour as it is.
>> I'm not sure myself whether to post or not.
>> Certainly calls could be put out to all the subscribers to indicate
>> whether they want to continue as such or not.
>> It's all about "as such or not" I think. Technically, Marc and Ruth are
>> list-owners, I believe. Ultimately they're responsible for the direction of
>> the list in the sense that any of us could be unsubscribed at the very
>> least.
>> There are times I've had to unsub people and that's always painful, as
>> would be, at least for us, shutting the list down.
>> I have no idea what to do. I find the situation hugely depressing.
>> Netbehaviour may be derailing, certainly as a commons. And the longer this
>> discussion is drawn out, the worse
>> things will get, at least that's been my experience.
>> Meanwhile I keep writing/performing/worlding, whatever I do.
>> Best, whatever that is,
>> Alan
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 5:57 PM Johannes Birringer <
>> Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> Hello all. shapeshifters!
>>> just watched Alan's video and also realized it may be the last one, as
>>> he may not be posting his poetic writing and music here, anymore....
>>> so I watch it as the last one Alan! thank you....
>>> The conversations about how we might shift this "net- behavior" and
>>> become more attuned again to what Ruth and Marc may have imagined -
>>> "a place for free and open artistic experimentation with networked
>>> media, and community building"  is very intriguing. I just reread the many
>>> postings here, and am stimulated and confused, loving all the responses,
>>> disagreeing with some......as it should be. I try to be short;  Ruth's
>>> parables of the forest (and our poor presence as merely "ethnographic
>>> peculiarities") inspired me:  >a campfire in some unmanaged ancient
>>> woodland...>>......>>The woods around the campfire are full of watchers and
>>> listeners (who knows who??)<<
>>> ...the analogies resonated with me, especially over the last 14 months
>>> in a pandemic that made me leave academia and spend more time in the
>>> forest, recording, performing, linking up, in the valley, with my village
>>> community, inventing new rituals, listening to others and what they thought
>>> the "latende Allmende" (latent commons, as Anna Tsing calls it in her book
>>> on mushrooms and living in the ruins of capitalism) might be like. No one
>>> knew exactly, but we talked, and took our masks off.... and walked along
>>> the river [see pic]
>>> Well.. what is our "latende Allmende" going to be, with other (younger)
>>> participants? do we know the age and gender of the members who post here? i
>>> don't, and it never mattered, nor the the number of subscribers ("we don't
>>> really know much about us") ? 643,  1625?  59?
>>> is that true?
>>> well, if the commons are evoked, and Furherfield's new director, and new
>>> policies or strategic aims (inclusivity, intersectionality, link to local
>>> neighborhood) are mentioned in the organization's remit, now what exactly
>>> do you want us to do, in our shapeshifting? Have we not actually been
>>> engaged....learning/contributing "about what it means to aim for a commons
>>> of diverse cultures in connected physical to digital realms. It requires
>>> careful planning, partnership building and a lot of production work"......
>>> yes, it does. and we do.
>>> with warm regards
>>> Johannes Birringer
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Wishing you well



Dr Marc Garrett

Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts

Furtherfield disrupts & democratises art and technology through
exhibitions, labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free
thinking. http://www.furtherfield.org

DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 technologies
research hub for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies &
economies now. http://decal.is/

Recent publications:

State Machines: Reflections & Actions at the Edge of Digital Citizenship,
Finance, & Art. Edited by Yiannis Colakides, Marc Garrett, Inte Gloerich.
Institute of Network Cultures, Amsterdam 2019 http://bit.do/eQgg3

Artists Re:thinking the Blockchain. Eds, Ruth Catlow, Marc Garrett, Nathan
Jones, & Sam Skinner. Liverpool Press - http://bit.ly/2x8XlMK
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