[NetBehaviour] (Putting up a piece from a couple of day ago)

AGF poemproducer agf at poemproducer.com
Wed Jun 9 10:08:43 CEST 2021


hi all, super

remember Helen initiated this:
https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/online-tools-for-the-pandemic

agee

> On 09 Jun 2021, at 00:42, marc garrett via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
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> Hi Helen,
> 
> Always lovely to hear from you,
> 
> In view of such a positive response by Netbehaviour users, I think the list will carry on but, I was especially excited by Ana's words saying, “ We must change something to keep the things as they are”. I think that's spot on.
> 
> I also really like the idea of having a live meeting to make a few key decisions via Jistsi etc.
> 
> We can have a vote on things or a consensus-based approach. 
> 
> I was reading and watching some videos about Upstage, it looks like it's going well. And yes, I completely appreciate what you said about time doing all this stuff. There's a lot of maintenance going on in the background for this list, and an awful lot of emotional, psychic and conceptual energy. I would never take away the love and time you've put into your projects because they mean a lot to you, the same goes for us.
> 
> Will chat more about this to others on the list tomorrow.
> 
> Wishing you well.
> 
> Marc
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> 
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> On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 at 21:15, Helen Varley Jamieson <helen at creative-catalyst.com> wrote:
> hi everyone,
> 
> i am in an ongoing state of relentless overload so i've been unable to do much more than periodically delete all the netbehaviour emails (and multiple other lists). i just don't have the brain space for anything much at the moment, outisde of the online magdalena festival and UpStage (both going extremely well and very joyous, just all-consuming!!)
> 
> so, having barely read any of the emails about the list, perhaps people have already said this - but for me netbehaviour has been for a very very long time an important refuge for me, even if i'm not so often active on it. i like that it has no imposed structure, it has no discussion topics or facilitators, it's allowed to be whatever people need it to be at the time. it has evolved and changed over the years, and at some point it will cease to exist, but it doesn't feel like it's reached that point yet. for me it's a valuable alternative to social media, which i find just too much effort.
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> i really appreciate ruth & marc's gentle organic management of the list - i know it's work, i look after other lists & i'm not volunteering to take anything on. you've done it beautifully for a long time & you don't have to do it forever. maybe there are others out there with the motivation to take it on, maybe not. yes i would be sad if/when it ended, but if there's no-one to take it on then it's time has come.
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> i've been reading about loss & grief recently as part of the work on the UpStage project, https://mobilise-demobilise.eu/ - in particular "hope & grief in the anthropocene" by lesley head, and "the living sea of waking dreams" by richard flanagan (both australians, incidentally) - about how crap we western humans are at dealing with grief and loss, and how important it is that we get better at it, because the future is going to involve a lot of loss (at least for those of us who lead privileged western lifestyles). i found both books - the first is an academic text & the second a novel - very powerful, honest, moving and ultimately hopeful. loss doesn't have to be a bad thing.
> h : )
> On 08.06.21 10:57, Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour wrote:
>> Dear All!
>> 
>> Firstly, Alan I also love your posts -the pattern which I think of as an art ping, and the content (when I watch, listen, read it) is a portal into your art practise which I really enjoy and value.
>> 
>> I also think that Alan has a point in saying that Marc and I should provide a steer as list owners. I have a few ideas that I will share at the weekend (it's a hardcore project week this week for me). 
>> 
>> But in the meantime keeping the conversation open is allowing us to see and feel the shape of the community. It has been so useful to hear from Gretta, Patrick, Paul, Ana, Annie, Johannes, Erik and all. More please! We also appreciate various offers from people to contribute financially to the lists upkeep. 
>> 
>> We regard the value in this list as the strange undefined collective property of everyone who has ever contributed. But as it is currently set up, it is not a Commons. I personally, would like it if it were. 
>> We can also consider Annie's suggestion of letting it go. But if that's the way it goes (and this is not what I want) it should certainly not be done casually, rather with the ceremony befitting the splendour of all that has ever occurred here ; )
>> 
>> I do want to reassure you Alan, we will make no sudden moves! The whole point of discussing this now is that it is not an emergency. We just need to work out who "we" are and what "we" want. 
>> 
>> Warmly
>> Ruth
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>> 
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>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 11:48 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
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>> Hi Everyone,
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>> I think we need some guidance; both Ruth and Marc seem unhappy with Netbehaviour as it is.
>> I'm not sure myself whether to post or not.
>> Certainly calls could be put out to all the subscribers to indicate whether they want to continue as such or not.
>> It's all about "as such or not" I think. Technically, Marc and Ruth are list-owners, I believe. Ultimately they're responsible for the direction of the list in the sense that any of us could be unsubscribed at the very least.
>> There are times I've had to unsub people and that's always painful, as would be, at least for us, shutting the list down.
>> I have no idea what to do. I find the situation hugely depressing. Netbehaviour may be derailing, certainly as a commons. And the longer this discussion is drawn out, the worse
>> things will get, at least that's been my experience.
>> 
>> Meanwhile I keep writing/performing/worlding, whatever I do.
>> 
>> Best, whatever that is,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
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>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 5:57 PM Johannes Birringer <Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Hello all. shapeshifters!
>> 
>> just watched Alan's video and also realized it may be the last one, as he may not be posting his poetic writing and music here, anymore....
>> so I watch it as the last one Alan! thank you....
>> 
>> The conversations about how we might shift this "net- behavior" and become more attuned again to what Ruth and Marc may have imagined -
>> "a place for free and open artistic experimentation with networked media, and community building"  is very intriguing. I just reread the many postings here, and am stimulated and confused, loving all the responses, disagreeing with some......as it should be. I try to be short;  Ruth's parables of the forest (and our poor presence as merely "ethnographic peculiarities") inspired me:  >a campfire in some unmanaged ancient woodland...>>......>>The woods around the campfire are full of watchers and listeners (who knows who??)<<
>> 
>> ...the analogies resonated with me, especially over the last 14 months in a pandemic that made me leave academia and spend more time in the forest, recording, performing, linking up, in the valley, with my village community, inventing new rituals, listening to others and what they thought the "latende Allmende" (latent commons, as Anna Tsing calls it in her book on mushrooms and living in the ruins of capitalism) might be like. No one knew exactly, but we talked, and took our masks off.... and walked along the river [see pic]
>> 
>> Well.. what is our "latende Allmende" going to be, with other (younger) participants? do we know the age and gender of the members who post here? i don't, and it never mattered, nor the the number of subscribers ("we don't really know much about us") ? 643,  1625?  59?
>> is that true?
>> 
>> well, if the commons are evoked, and Furherfield's new director, and new policies or strategic aims (inclusivity, intersectionality, link to local neighborhood) are mentioned in the organization's remit, now what exactly do you want us to do, in our shapeshifting? Have we not actually been engaged....learning/contributing "about what it means to aim for a commons of diverse cultures in connected physical to digital realms. It requires careful planning, partnership building and a lot of production work"......
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>> yes, it does. and we do.
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>> 
>> with warm regards
>> Johannes Birringer
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> Dr Marc Garrett
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> Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab
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> Furtherfield disrupts & democratises art and technology through exhibitions, labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free thinking. http://www.furtherfield.org
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> DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 technologies research hub for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now. http://decal.is/
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> Recent publications:
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> State Machines: Reflections & Actions at the Edge of Digital Citizenship, Finance, & Art. Edited by Yiannis Colakides, Marc Garrett, Inte Gloerich. Institute of Network Cultures, Amsterdam 2019 http://bit.do/eQgg3
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> Artists Re:thinking the Blockchain. Eds, Ruth Catlow, Marc Garrett, Nathan Jones, & Sam Skinner. Liverpool Press - http://bit.ly/2x8XlMK
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