[NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour renewal - Occupy? a commons? by a fire, in the ruins in an ancient woodland
ruthcatlow at gmail.com
Sat Jun 12 17:26:32 CEST 2021
Did you read this bit?
"If we can agree that we (all subscribers) collectively own this place, and
are willing to reflect on this occasionally - that's more than enough for
me. We can stay with furtherfield legacy infrastructure and near-zero
moderation by Marc and me for now (if that suits everyone)."
I was asking for responses to a proposal. I see your point about allowing
people to go undeclared - I think it's a good one.
On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 3:52 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
> Hi Ruth,
> I probably stand alone here. Occupy was many things, wasn't that well
> organized, I was there several times. There was always a drum circle on the
> outskirts that interrupted flow. There were outlying groups and meetings
> that weren't on the main site. It was chaotic. It was bottom up.
> I don't like the suggestion below. First, I'm on a number of lists; on
> most of them I don't post, but I learn. This is a tradition all the way
> back. There are lists people have been silent on because they've
> infiltrated right-wing or fascist organizations. There are people on lists
> who don't want to be counted or accounted for, for many reasons. Your
> suggestion seems like a forced enrollment: come forward, tell everyone who
> you are, or you're gone. Another way to look at that: It's a privilege to
> be on this list and you must actively participate or you're gone. Or it's
> your duty as a member of this list to participate or you're gone. Or if
> you're shy and just interested in reading or possibly backchanneling only,
> you're gone.
> This literally has me in tears. For me, again, lists have had the
> advantage of the commons. But this commons then has a different purpose,
> and if you don't fit in, leave. Then it's not a commons, is it? Or are you
> talking about a commons where people must announce their presence or be
> gone? You say "This revolved around efforts to create open access" - but
> does this mean that you _must_ access publicly and make your presence
> Every list I'm on, by the way, is advertising-free; people might announce
> they have a harmonica for sale (harmonica list) or a new book has come out
> (wryting-l) or they're showing somewhere (Netbehaviour), but they're not
> advertisement-based of course. People announce from within the list, not to
> We have to "know who is in the woods"? In England, perhaps land and
> parkland is managed differently than in the U.S. You have to sign in at
> National Parks, but just once - in fact that's like a subscription - but
> you don't need to announce who you are on any basis to everyone else. In
> state parks, you just go in, Much as this country is horrific and lawless
> and armed to the teeth, we feel comfortable going to parks (except for the
> I honestly don't feel comfortable on this list, and apologies for not
> being more helpful. I'll continue posting daily, you'll do what you want to
> do; the very performative discussion of unsubscribe is a signifier of
> power. I am so tired of, so worn out, by promulgations of power. (Yes, I
> know, power is everywhere, etc. But there are degrees and there are safe
> spaces, at least for now.)
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 10:06 AM Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>> Dear everyone,
>> Thanks so much for helping me to work through some of my niggles with the
>> list. I now have a much better sense of what its value is to some of us at
>> the fireside and a few of the people from the woods. I've also been greatly
>> enjoying the recent exchanges!
>> I also found Adam's email beautiful. Especially personally resonant
>> because I lived for a year in Penryn unaware of the history of the
>> Ordinalia there. I find the format of passion plays - "acts" of faith
>> "performed" by people in the places where they belong - enthralling.Thanks
>> for that Adam!
>> Annie's response was also really helpful for me. The revolutionary
>> impulse of the early media art initiatives that interested me was tied up
>> with infrastructural critique and a desire to create a new art context
>> together. This revolved around efforts to create open access, and
>> co-ownership of the media and platforms we needed for collaboration.
>> Bringing together FLOSS and Art. There is still a lot of inspiring work in
>> this area Constant https://constantvzw.org/ for example.
>> While I "get" the Occupy vibe here, it doesn't feel so useful as an
>> analogy for this list/community as it stands at the moment. Occupy's
>> central commitment was to participatory democracy. The location of
>> occupations were chosen for their symbolic significance to state-corporate
>> capitalism, right? I guess we could think of this list as a prefigurative
>> community resisting corporate platforms (I share everyone's love of this as
>> an advertising-free space). But I detect less interest among this group in
>> the question of how bottom-up decisions should be made to ensure fair
>> distribution of power, and how that might in turn lead to the overthrow of
>> capitalism. Occupy activists developed social technologies (some digital
>> platforms, some gestures and techniques for use in large groups of people
>> gathered physically) to make ALL the decisions together about all the
>> things - from collective vision to organising waste-disposal. It's more
>> emergent here.
>> If we can agree that Commons are "shared cultural or material resources
>> managed by communities for individual and collective benefit" then maybe
>> this is what we have been working out here over the last couple of weeks
>> and Netbehaviour is a kind of commons. If we can agree that we (all
>> subscribers) collectively own this place, and are willing to reflect on
>> this occasionally - that's more than enough for me. We can stay with
>> furtherfield legacy infrastructure and near-zero moderation by Marc and me
>> for now (if that suits everyone).
>> Finally, I would be curious to hear your feelings about this proposal for
>> list renewal.
>> Over a 1 month period starting xxx
>> We invite all subscribers to do one of 3 things
>> 1. Make a post on any topic or responding to anyone else's post
>> 2. Send an email with "Happy Lurker" in the subject header
>> 3. Do nothing.
>> At the end of this time, moderators could
>> 1. gather a list of everyone who posted
>> 2. unsubscribe everyone else.
>> In this way we will know who we are, we will be able to see ourselves
>> collectively and know who is in the woods.
>> This is something we can do intermittently.
>> If you all love, hate or have alternative suggestions to this idea I'd
>> love to know.
>> Ruth Catlow
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*Furtherfield *disrupts and democratises art and technology through
labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free thinking.
*DECAL* Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 technologies
for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now.
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