[NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour renewal - Occupy? a commons? by a fire, in the ruins in an ancient woodland

Helen Sloan helen at scansite.org
Sun Jun 13 14:09:46 CEST 2021


Happy lurker agrees. Hope everyone is doing ok. 
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Helen

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> On 13 Jun 2021, at 02:29, Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com> wrote:
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> Hi, For some reason I didn't see the last - and I agree totally with everything, and thank you.
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> Best, Alan
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>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2021, Lichty, Patrick M wrote:
>> 
>> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 20:06:30 -0500
>> From: "Lichty, Patrick M" <pl at voyd.com>
>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>>    <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>>    <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour renewal - Occupy? a commons? by a
>>    fire, in the ruins in an ancient woodland
>> So say me all.
>> Yes, we need this place, we need you.
>>  
>> From: NetBehaviour <netbehaviour-bounces at lists.netbehaviour.org> on behalf
>> of Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:12 AM
>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> Cc: Ruth Catlow <ruthcatlow at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour renewal - Occupy? a commons? by a
>> fire, in the ruins in an ancient woodland
>>  
>> Hi  Alan
>>  
>> Did you read this bit?
>>  
>> "If we can agree that we (all subscribers) collectively own this place, and
>> are willing to reflect on this occasionally - that's more than enough for
>> me. We can stay with furtherfield legacy infrastructure and near-zero
>> moderation by Marc and me for now (if that suits everyone)."
>>  
>> I was asking for responses to a proposal. I see your point about allowing
>> people to go undeclared - I think it's a good one. 
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>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 3:52 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour
>> <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>> 
>>      Hi Ruth,
>>  
>> I probably stand alone here. Occupy was many things, wasn't that well
>> organized, I was there several times. There was always a drum circle
>> on the outskirts that interrupted flow. There were outlying groups and
>> meetings that weren't on the main site. It was chaotic. It was bottom
>> up.
>>  
>> I don't like the suggestion below. First, I'm on a number of lists; on
>> most of them I don't post, but I learn. This is a tradition all the
>> way back. There are lists people have been silent on because they've
>> infiltrated right-wing or fascist organizations. There are people on
>> lists who don't want to be counted or accounted for, for many reasons.
>> Your suggestion seems like a forced enrollment: come forward, tell
>> everyone who you are, or you're gone. Another way to look at that:
>> It's a privilege to be on this list and you must actively participate
>> or you're gone. Or it's your duty as a member of this list to
>> participate or you're gone. Or if you're shy and just interested in
>> reading or possibly backchanneling only, you're gone.
>>  
>> This literally has me in tears. For me, again, lists have had the
>> advantage of the commons. But this commons then has a different
>> purpose, and if you don't fit in, leave. Then it's not a commons, is
>> it? Or are you talking about a commons where people must announce
>> their presence or be gone? You say "This revolved around efforts to
>> create open access" - but does this mean that you _must_ access
>> publicly and make your presence known?
>>  
>> Every list I'm on, by the way, is advertising-free; people might
>> announce they have a harmonica for sale (harmonica list) or a new book
>> has come out (wryting-l) or they're showing somewhere (Netbehaviour),
>> but they're not advertisement-based of course. People announce from
>> within the list, not to it.
>>  
>> We have to "know who is in the woods"? In England, perhaps land and
>> parkland is managed differently than in the U.S. You have to sign in
>> at National Parks, but just once - in fact that's like a subscription
>> - but you don't need to announce who you are on any basis to everyone
>> else. In state parks, you just go in, Much as this country is horrific
>> and lawless and armed to the teeth, we feel comfortable going to parks
>> (except for the tics).
>>  
>> I honestly don't feel comfortable on this list, and apologies for not
>> being more helpful. I'll continue posting daily, you'll do what you
>> want to do; the very performative discussion of unsubscribe is a
>> signifier of power. I am so tired of, so worn out, by promulgations of
>> power. (Yes, I know, power is everywhere, etc. But there are degrees
>> and there are safe spaces, at least for now.)
>>  
>> Alan
>>  
>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 10:06 AM Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour
>> <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>> 
>>      Dear everyone,
>> 
>>      Thanks so much for helping me to work through some of my
>>      niggles with the list. I now have a much better sense of
>>      what its value is to some of us at the fireside and a few
>>      of the people from the woods. I've also been greatly
>>      enjoying the recent exchanges!
>> 
>>      I also found Adam's email beautiful. Especially personally
>>      resonant because I lived for a year in Penryn unaware of
>>      the history of the Ordinalia there. I find the format of
>>      passion plays - "acts" of faith "performed" by people in
>>      the places where they belong - enthralling.Thanks for that
>>      Adam!
>> Annie's response was also really helpful for me. The
>> revolutionary impulse of the early media art initiatives that
>> interested me was tied up with infrastructural critique and a
>> desire to create a new art context together. This revolved
>> around efforts to create open access, and co-ownership of the
>> media and platforms we needed for collaboration. Bringing
>> together FLOSS and Art. There is still a lot of inspiring work
>> in this area Constant https://constantvzw.org/ for example. 
>> While I "get" the Occupy vibe here, it doesn't feel so useful as
>> an analogy for this list/community as it stands at the moment.
>> Occupy's central commitment was to participatory democracy. The
>> location of occupations were chosen for their symbolic
>> significance to state-corporate capitalism, right? I guess we
>> could think of this list as a prefigurative community resisting
>> corporate platforms (I share everyone's love of this as an
>> advertising-free space). But I detect less interest among this
>> group in the question of how bottom-up decisions should be made
>> to ensure fair distribution of power, and how that might in turn
>> lead to the overthrow of capitalism. Occupy activists developed
>> social technologies (some digital platforms, some gestures and
>> techniques for use in large groups of people gathered
>> physically) to make ALL the decisions together about all the
>> things - from collective vision to organising waste-disposal.
>> It's more emergent here.
>> If we can agree that Commons are "shared cultural or material
>> resources managed by communities for individual and collective
>> benefit" then maybe this is what we have been working out here
>> over the last couple of weeks and Netbehaviour is a kind of
>> commons. If we can agree that we (all subscribers) collectively
>> own this place, and are willing to reflect on this occasionally
>> - that's more than enough for me. We can stay with furtherfield
>> legacy infrastructure and near-zero moderation by Marc and me
>> for now (if that suits everyone).
>> Finally, I would be curious to hear your feelings about this
>> proposal for list renewal.
>> =======================
>> Over a 1 month period starting xxx
>> We invite all subscribers to do one of 3 things
>> 1. Make a post on any topic or responding to anyone else's post
>> 2. Send an email with "Happy Lurker" in the subject header
>> 3. Do nothing.
>> At the end of this time, moderators could 
>> 1. gather a list of everyone who posted
>> 2. unsubscribe everyone else.
>> In this way we will know who we are, we will be able to see
>> ourselves collectively and know who is in the woods.
>> This is something we can do intermittently.
>> ========================
>> If you all love, hate or have alternative suggestions to this
>> idea I'd love to know.
>>  
>> warmly
>> Ruth
>>  
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>> Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts
>> Lab
>> +44 (0) 77370 02879 
>> *I will only agree to speak at events that are racially and gender
>> balanced. 
>> **sending thanks in advance
>> Furtherfield disrupts and democratises art and technology through
>> exhibitions, labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free
>> thinking.
>> furtherfield.org
>>  
>> DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 technologies
>> research hub
>> for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now.
>> decal.is
>> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company Limited by Guarantee
>> Registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205.
>> Registered business address: Carbon Accountancy, 80-83 Long Lane, London,
>> EC1A 9ET.
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