[NetBehaviour] labyrinth, maze, atlas

Kath O'Donnell aliak77 at gmail.com
Wed Jun 23 07:46:10 CEST 2021


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On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 at 12:02, Klobucar, Philip Andrew <
andrew.klobucar at njit.edu> wrote:

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> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:10 PM Max Herman via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Ana,
>>
>> Thank you for the great reference to Palenque Yucatan!  Its an example I
>> didn't know about and will help my understanding a lot.  It's interesting
>> that the patterns are both painted and built, comparable to some of the
>> examples further north.  In many cultures there are linguistic and musical
>> parallels too, such as Bach's Little Harmonic Labyrinth which I learned
>> about last year, or perhaps even an indigenous drum and song performance I
>> heard earlier this month.
>>
>> In trying to process Dante's Commedia I have found he uses wheels and
>> circles a lot, using ancient references such as Fortuna and perhaps most of
>> all astronomy (which all eras have pondered).  It's not a labyrinth per se
>> but he starts out totally lost and needs help (from Beatrice and Virgil) to
>> find his way.  Theres a theme of "having to go through it" to get balance,
>> of faculties being taxed and failing but learning, as well as indeterminacy
>> which are comparable to labyrinth experiences.
>>
>> Interesting coincidence in Garrett's post about Daedalus!  :)
>>
>> All best,
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 22, 2021 8:52 AM
>> *To:* Max Herman <maxnmherman at hotmail.com>
>> *Cc:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <
>> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] labyrinth, maze, atlas
>>
>> Thanks Max the labyrinth or pattern or maze is indeed an old form of
>> representation a kind of natural metaphors where we mankind try to explain
>> things and create a narrative of our origin and our aims.
>> I was in Palenque Yucatán in Mexico once and saw the complicated
>> labyrinths the Mayas reproduced on wall paintings and gardens in the middle
>> of the forest.
>> Palenque was “discovered” or found as late as in 1922 but the archeologs
>> and explorers say there are still many sites or cities to be discovered.
>> Ana
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 02:05, Max Herman <maxnmherman at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Ana,
>>
>> I was thinking today or yesterday that a key feature of a labyrinth or
>> maze is you can't solve it in advance then speed through.  You have to
>> experience it, and it has unpredictable or random features.  This calls for
>> a certain being present, with a place, time, and task or activity.  The
>> task has no purpose beyond its being experienced.
>>
>> It's also a prehistoric art form, arguably, going back to stone circles
>> or indigenous "medicine wheels," thus having omni-cultural aspects
>> perhaps.  There is often a link between microcosm and macrocosm implied or
>> stated.  I'm sure there must be electronic ways to mediate such an activity
>> but since digital technology makes it so easy and profitable to script an
>> environment, and since the body is somewhat excluded from electronic
>> settings, that may be more the norm in our hopefully still early stages.
>>
>> I've never been to Chartres, but Warburgs Atlas has an unscripted "place"
>> aspect to it, as may possibly the Berlin exhibit of Leonardo's Books by the
>> Planck Institute till June 28 (where the artifacts are arranged kind of
>> like maze they say, plus with a vortex of papers at the center, but still
>> there is no travel there from here).  I did see the 2019 showing at the
>> Museo Galileo, which started off all my interest in Leonardo, so I'm
>> interested to see what the virtual version of the Berlin exhibit is like.
>>
>> All best,
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> https://www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/research/exhibition/leonardos-intellectual-cosmos-2021
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From:* Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 21, 2021 9:50 AM
>> *To:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <
>> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> *Cc:* Max Herman <maxnmherman at hotmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour list renewal - happy lurker
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>> I was once an avid sci-fi and phantasy reader read all Game of Thrones
>> before the tv and the hype :)
>> There is a great writer Roger Zelazny who wrote several books about a
>> parallel world, Amber. There is a maze or labyrinth and only the ones who
>> learn to navigate the maze and go trough the maze are worth to rule.
>> I saw the maze at the cathedral of Chartres and it’s very interesting to
>> see how the maze was used by the Templar’s the masons and the scholars
>> studying the Kabbala.
>> The maze as metaphor is very powerful.
>> Ana
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 11:27, Max Herman via NetBehaviour <
>> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
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>>
>> Hi Jessica and happy solstice all!
>>
>> The giant labyrinth sounds intriguing.  A very ancient form, and so
>> different from one person making an art object then selling it to another.
>> Perhaps the latter is the greatest illusion of all?  A distraction in a
>> maze.
>>
>> Labyrinths -- well I could go on and on.  You enter, like a stone circle,
>> then exit, but in imagination too.  It's like conscious meditative time,
>> both more and less individualized.
>>
>> As to poetics of imagination -- very relevant too I think.  Poetics is
>> not words only.  In Leonardo's time they called the debate between poetry
>> and painting, Dante and Apelles, the paragone for which is best, the
>> paragon.  Leonardo said they are the same art form, just differently
>> focused for the eyes or ears in how we encounter them, both connecting to
>> the imagination or sensus communis within the person.  I think he wanted to
>> create a visual counterpoint to Dante, in some ways, to demonstrate this.
>>
>> Theres a concept in meditation called "softening of vision," I think,
>> which is very physically noticeable in contrast to rigid, brittle, narrow
>> sight, I mean in the eyes.  Seeing looks and feels different.  Not sure how
>> to articulate this with brevity but there might be something like it in
>> sound and words too.  I think of this phenomenon sometimes as a kind of
>> poetics perhaps or part and electronic media have an effect on my
>> experience of it not always for the better.
>>
>> All best regards,
>>
>> Max
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