[NetBehaviour] email lists -
Edward Picot
julian.lesaux at gmail.com
Sun May 30 21:29:43 CEST 2021
Alan and Annie,
I think it's partly because people aren't posting their new work, or
notices about their new work, on here as much as they once did - which
is partly because a lot of people have moved away from New Media Art and
gone more into old-fashioned things like "pictures" and "writing", and
NetBehaviour doesn't necessarily feel like the right vehicle for those.
I'm spending a lot of time on Instagram these days, which I much prefer
to Facebook or Twitter, and I see that Michael Szpakowski and Simon
McLennan are both on there publishing new stuff on a regular basis.
But I think NetBehavour still has this capacity to suddenly go from
being very quiet to being incredibly voluble and fast-moving if somebody
happens to raise a subject that really gets people thinking and talking.
I've never known another online forum quite like it as a vehicle for
debate, and I'd be very sorry to lose that.
Edward
On 30/05/2021 19:59, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour wrote:
> Dear Annie and netbehaviourists
>
> I do feel differently; I've had amazing exchanges with you and
> Johannes Birringer and many others, and I can't imagine these
> occurring on Facebook; the very phenomenology of the stream mitigates
> against that. I don't know what you mean by "old" "intellectuals"
> since a number of people on the lists are also young. The list isn't
> sex, but sex is and sex is a lot faster than a list. It's the idea of
> "old" that bothers me; on Facebook where I post, as I mentioned, I get
> numbers of likes or loves to an image, but texts aren't taken seriously.
>
> Which for me reflects the whole intellectual apparatus of at least the
> US and possibly Europe - the need to be an academic or gallery- or
> magazine- affiliated. I have none of these and at ELO I felt for
> example as a total outsider. And that's a real problem. There are
> constant money issues, access issues, equipment issues, travel issues,
> survival issues, health issues, audience issues, etc. that are
> available if not taken for granted if you work at a university or tech
> company. Those issues dominate. My equipment is seriously poor at this
> point. God knows what happens in the rest of the world, where there
> may be no equipment at all. And these issues are fundamentally class
> issues: the intellectual class, old or not, is defined and siloed by
> its connections and potentials for connections. I wake up sometimes
> thinking critically and artistically I'm dead and why continue at all.
> And if I feel that way, again - God knows what happens in the rest of
> the world.
>
> I don't read everything on mailing lists, but I take the time to at
> least skim. And when I do reply (and I will always reply if I can to
> you, for example), I'll do more than click stupidly on
> like/love/care/angry and other emoji (which I use as well) (and which
> are frankly insulting - someone takes the time to put up something
> that make take hours, weeks - and the reply is a click??
>
> It's the stream stream stream stream stream which is NOT flow but
> inherently violent, sexist, racist, ageist, and anything else that
> excludes. Influencers bet on it: become part of the part or I WAS HERE
> BUT I DISAPPEAR. (maybe misquote from The Harder They Come).
>
> As far as NFT goes, I agree with your remark; again it drains any real
> discussion re: violence, aesthetics, philosophy, sexism, racism, etc.
> .. It's party time; you can't think against the stream; the boat you
> might rock founders on it.
>
> As far as Netbehaviour goes, I do hope discussion and presentation
> both pick up here. And I do NOT think it's an issue of age or
> intellectualism - but a need for ANYONE to have a space to think and
> discuss slowly enough within a space of consideration and
> considerateness...
>
> Best, Alan, and thank you for the reply.
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 11:55 AM Annie Abrahams via NetBehaviour
> <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org
> <mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote:
>
> Dear Alan and netbehaviourists
>
> I don't know why people write less in netbehaviour. Some hints:
> Email is not the favorite way of communication anymore.
> Information is toooo much everywhere, people tend to prioritise
> what is usefull. Etc etc. Mostly "old" "intelectuals" exchanging
> ... The list isn't sexy ...
> I do miss the old mailing list where people discussed often
> without a fear to be ridicule, could ask stupid (what is that?)
> questions and get answers. But I admit I also don't always take
> the time to read all.
>
> Last week I posted a remark on a not to be mentioned social
> network " I hate NFT - and am bored by it - no real perspective
> for change, just assets - it is consuming my attention without
> giving me anything" and got more than a 100 reactions, by far the
> most ever I think. I read it all, got links to a multitude of
> articles I mostly had already read.
> And still I can't really make up my mind about it.
> Then I thought what I would need is not another article, nor a
> podcast or talk, but a real conversation about this. A place to
> exchange about it, a place where no-one tells me what to read, but
> carefully answers my stupid questions, and asks me questions ....
> not an email exchange, but a conversation .... (that maybe could
> be done via email exchange ..., maybe...)
> Such a thing is lacking! Especially in Covid times.
>
> Bye bye
> have a nice end of the day all
> Annie
>
>
>
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> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 3:49 PM Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com
> <mailto:sondheim at panix.com>> wrote:
>
>
> I've noticed this, and many other lists, have gone mostly
> silent (except
> for neighborhood lists), and I'm wondering if this has to do
> with the end
> of many lockdown restrictions? Neighbors are taking care of
> neighbors, and
> of course in-person contact has increased enormously.
>
> The lists served two purposes during the height of the
> epidemic; in
> addition to their stated content, they also upheld community.
> Now both
> seem to have gone silent, at least for the moment.
>
> Comments greatly appreciated
>
> Best, Alan
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