[NetBehaviour] Gaza

Mon Dec 11 12:18:46 CET 2023

dears, wanted to share the work Meira made and I remixed <3

Aida Touma-Suleiman is one of the strongest voices 
representing the Palestinian community in Israel 
and a harsh opponent of the Israeli occupation.

recorded by Meira Asher
► https://rec-on.org/aida.html

download mp3
https://rec-on.org/audio/aida.mp3

Show 0975: ‘The Day After’ with Aida Touma-Sliman (radioart106) by Meira Asher
http://radia.fm/2023/12/show-0975-the-day-after-with-aida-touma-sliman-radioart106/

post:
https://mastodon.social/@REConSOUND/111545808344538785

agee

> On 10. Dec 2023, at 16.21, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
> 
> I found it useful as well.
> There are different histories at work I think: the Hamas attack was _an event_ and one that created trauma certainly in Israel, certainly among settlers. The Israeli response has become a _state_ - of war, of fear. Both have led to anti-Arabism and antisemitism elsewhere (here in Providence an Arab religious goods seller was shot in front of a mosque). Jews in the 60s-70s in the US were involved in peace movements. When I was in Israel 62-3 there was definitely a sense of paranoia, but the right was considered marginal at best. As long as Netanyahu is in power, is kept in power, I think the destruction will continue; the settlers on the West Bank increasing their attacks etc. I have never argued for one or another side and none of the people I know have and clearly a 2-state solution is the only pacific outcome. But it is incredibly difficult to argue w/ hard-liners and the killing is continuing and continuing. 
> I certainly agree with the article; I don't see how this can be implemented - and as a sideline to that, I think it's in the interests of the far-right in the US and perhaps elsewhere to keep the tension going for a variety of political reasons - an argument for isolationism, an argument for antisemitism, an argument for abject racism and so forth. These are concrete responses in America (increase in antisemitic attacks for example). Sooner or later I hope and think this will all die down but the toll is increasing daily. -
> 
> - Alan
> 
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 8:28 AM Edward Picot <edward at edwardpicot.com> wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> Thanks for posting that link. I found it really helpful.
> 
> Edward
> 
> 
> 
> On 05/12/2023 00:08, Paul Hertz via NetBehaviour wrote:
>> In a war where generational trauma haunts all parties, it is extremely difficult to see a way forward for peace. Nevertheless, I would offer this link to a recent text by Mushon Zer-Aviv, which addresses that question. 
>> 
>> https://medium.com/@mushon/your-empathy-is-killing-us-1a50a4fc0488
>> 
>> I can't remember if Mushon is on NetBehaviour. I know him from the Upgrade! list and meeting him in Skopje (I think Ana Valdés was there too?), and have followed his words for some years. Never before have they seemed so cogent or necessary. And I am moved more by the picture at the end of his text than by the words, speaking to the generational project that may be the only way forward from the deep set memory of trauma, the flight or fight or freeze response, the parochial empathy, the taking of sides, willy-nilly. 
>> 
>> There is more that I have been mulling over, but let me leave you first with Mushon's words.
>> 
>> paz,
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 10:26 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>           wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Gaza
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/Yda-c_4agZA (saz)
>> 
>> it's impossible to comprehend what is occurring in Gaza,
>> impossible to think through the violence and destruction,
>> through the continuous cruelty. we don't think clearly,
>> perhaps not at all, impossible but occurring, absent here
>> but there, but continuous, but incessant, what is to come
>> everywhere our abject fear, our fear is safe _here,_ it
>> is our fear to own from _this_ distance, this safety.
>> we did years ago have ongoing discussions on email lists
>> set up for that purpose, war, violence, testimony. now we
>> have our _safe nightmares_ as cruelty spreads everywhere.
>> perhaps everything falls short of weeping, of our safety
>> here, perhaps not. inside we were napalm not real here
>> we are irreal bombardment, accounts, disasters, bodies,
>> limbs, massacres, children, infants, so many civilians,
>> we have the duty here now of _thinking inconceivability_
>> to respond with art, music, writings, analyses, otherwise
>> than _there,_ in different words _here_ and not _there,_
>> the safety of the aporia, the moment of the trench
>> adjacent to the cusp. i contribute this long-necked saz
>> piece, i am useless, we watch the war inside of us, we
>> survive in the safety, for now, of our bodies, our minds
>> elsewhere, no where at all, the world inconceivable, lost
>> 
>> it'simpossibletocomprehendwhatisoccurringinGaza,
>> impossibletothinkthroughtheviolenceanddestruction,
>> throughthecontinuouscruelty.wedon'tthinkclearly,
>> perhapsnotatall,impossiblebutoccurring,absenthere
>> butthere,butcontinuous,butincessant,whatistocome
>> everywhereourabjectfear,ourfearissafe_here,_it
>> isourfeartoownfrom_this_distance,thissafety.
>> wedidyearsagohaveongoingdiscussionsonemaillists
>> setupforthatpurpose,war,violence,testimony.nowwe
>> haveour_safenightmares_ascrueltyspreadseverywhere.
>> perhapseverythingfallsshortofweeping,ofoursafety
>> here,perhapsnot.insidewewerenapalmnotrealhere
>> weareirrealbombardment,accounts,disasters,bodies,
>> limbs,massacres,children,infants,somanycivilians,
>> wehavethedutyherenowof_thinkinginconceivability_
>> torespondwithart,music,writings,analyses,otherwise
>> than_there,_indifferentwords_here_andnot_there,_
>> thesafetyoftheaporia,themomentofthetrench
>> adjacenttothecusp.icontributethislong-neckedsaz
>> piece,iamuseless,wewatchthewarinsideofus,we
>> surviveinthesafety,fornow,ofourbodies,ourminds
>> elsewhere,nowhereatall,theworldinconceivable,lost
>> */the hurry/*
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