[NetBehaviour] haiku and crypto-A.I.I.

[Alan Sondheim]

Are we absolutely sure AI doesn't have experience? I'm not so sure  ...




On Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 11:03 AM Max Herman via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:

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> Neuroscientist and author Anil Seth in his 2022 book *Being You* suggests
> that "experience" is the defining measure of consciousness, a "controlled
> hallucination" or "interoceptive inference" based on predictive regulation
> in the manner of Peter Sterling's concept of allostasis.  Visual
> experience, verbal experience, auditory, psychological, tactile, you name
> it all follow this basic norm, and Sterling finds its roots all the way
> back to the earliest pre-cellular life.
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> Experience for real belongs to living things.  Machines do not yet have
> experiences, but can convincingly appear to have them (which appearing is a
> big problem for human brains Seth says).  He adds that one day maybe
> machines will be able to have experiences, i.e. consciousness or sentience,
> but that would make them alive and bring new problems of its own.  Such
> machine life may in fact be best not attempted according to his view but
> people will do what they prefer.  It may also, per Seth, not be possible to
> engineer conscious experience without biology.
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> Experience, or *experientia *in Latin and *esperienza *in Italian (which
> both mean both experience and experiment), goes way back in the European
> tradition of history.  It encompasses science in the sense of observation,
> hypothesis, experiment, and design; it also includes art in the sense of
> aesthetic expression and perception, psychology, memory, culture,
> philosophy, the visual apparatus and the verbal apparatus; it even covers
> just plain what happens: history and real events.
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> However, being secular and non-denominational at its essence this
> principle of Experience has always had to be discreet.  It is said by
> Keizer that for the early Renaissance, prior to the Inquisition that is,
> painting was thought to offer a path or bridge out of culture back to
> nature in pursuit of restored balance.  Might this not be the as yet
> unidentifiable path in Giorgione's *The Tempest*, circa 1506, his
> Lucretian *studiolo's *hope for science, art, and their unknown future
> progeny?
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> Since they don't themselves experience, machines that process information
> in patterns perceptible as human may be better known as Artificial
> Intelligence Imitators (or A.I.I.).  That would make the old two-letter
> term a misnomer not so different from recently less-than-honest conceptual
> currency manipulations (as has already been widely argued).
> Such a new definition would also open the flow-chain of network
> intelligence more fully, admitting engineering marvels like Giorgione's to
> a vital present free of their sequestered cabinet of curiosities.  Nature's
> experience might return too.
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> And is not the conservation of circulated value at the heart of nature's
> logic?
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> Related links:
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> https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/aug/25/being-you-by-professor-anil-seth-review-the-exhilarating-new-science-of-consciousness
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> https://www.ted.com/talks/anil_seth_being_you_a_new_science_of_consciousness
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> Seth, Anil.  "From Unconscious Inference to the Beholder’s Share:
> Predictive Perception and Human Experience."  European Review, 2019.
> https://psyarxiv.com/zvbkp/
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> https://nautil.us/why-conscious-ai-is-a-bad-bad-idea-302937/
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> Sterling, P.  *What is Health?* (2021)
> https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262043304/what-is-health/
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> Sterling, allostasis video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alyo9Qvz84U
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> Sterling article about allostasis (2012).
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21684297/
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> Keizer, J.  *Leonardo's Paradox.* (2021)
> https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/L/bo38335953.html
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> Keiser, Joost. "Leonardo and Allegory," Oxford Art Journal 35 (2012):
> 433-55.
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tempest_(Giorgione)
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> Campbell, S. J., & Giorgione. (2003). Giorgione’s “Tempest,” “Studiolo”
> Culture, and the Renaissance Lucretius. Renaissance Quarterly, 56(2),
> 299–332. https://doi.org/10.2307/1261849
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