[NetBehaviour] Disaggregate Flocking?

Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly at gmail.com
Sat May 6 01:58:10 CEST 2023

love -- read initially as this flocking:


On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 11:15 AM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour
<netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
> (might be useful re: Finsbury Park?)
> Disaggregate Flocking?
> https://youtu.be/R-J_KZI3dvY video
> Rather than swarming or flocking behavior, I'd like to call what
> I see in these images aggregate behavior or disaggregate
> behavior - what I mean is that the behavior is largely random
> that the gatherings are very crude and so very loosely bound
> that they fall apart constantly; they are "somewhat" incoherent.
> I wonder if instead of an overall flocking behavior algorithm
> algorithm one might consider or one might think about the
> possibilities of local geodesics that each bird follows that
> would have some relationship to avoidance behavior and to
> coagulation behavior but at the same time would not call this
> one way another into an overall shape such as you get with a
> murmuration or migration flocks . These things are much more
> loosely bound if they're bound at all with the goals in the
> images when you look at the time lapse material. When you look
> at the time lapse material you can see that they're much more
> individually moving then usually would be found In flocking
> behavior. If anything they're much more loosely bound by the
> external circumstances of the edges of the water body or bodies
> . But the movement seems to be slightly circular and that might
> be the result of flight patterns that are necessary to catch the
> air and move properly in relationship to the other birds to the
> neighbors but it might also be almost random and simply based on
> avoidive behavior and looking for geodesics not quite stop that.
> [that is, aggregative behavior within circumstances dictated by
> neighborhood features such as trees, pools, rivers.] Not looking
> for geodesics but as if they were following highly localized
> coordinates of some sort. I'm dictating this, which is another
> sort of flock behavior in the sense that the words are being put
> together with some kind of semantic continuity that the machine
> is interpreting. But at the same time there are withdrawals and
> things are much looser then that. In this sense the text itself
> is a kind of aggregate that veers off in one way or another.
> What was most amazing was when all of the all of the gulls took
> off simultaneously or roughly simultaneously not in a wave not
> even in a loose flock but from the bridge to the place where I
> was making the recording. More than that, there's a series of
> bridges and a farther bridge which is difficult to see in the
> video they also took off at the same time there must have been
> at least 1000 birds in the river between the two bridges and to
> further bridges that were even beyond those two. I'm fascinated
> by this and have spent a considerable amount of time trying to
> figure out what's going on. Ironically it's a lot easier, easier
> to figure out with the murmuration or sandhill cranes for
> example or migration in V shape patterns in general . But this
> seems different seems a different kind of behavior and the
> disorderliness may in fact be incredibly deep which would be
> really fascinating . Patsy disorderly oneness might in fact be
> incredibly deep . That is disorderliness might in fact be
> incredibly deep. It's the same with this as it is with the
> flight of these birds errors appearing everywhere in the text
> the text bearing off and then coming back just as the birds will
> land somewhat in the same places that they took off from
> somewhat in the same area at least but individually it becomes a
> real headache to try to I sect what's actually going on period
> to try to sense what's actually going on.
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