[NetBehaviour] Flooding in New York

[Edward Picot]

Hi Johannes,

We have a similar situation here - when protesters protest, 'ordinary 
people' just get annoyed, and there's an argument that it's preaching to 
the converted and alienating the undecided, rather than recruiting 
anybody to the cause. Plus the Government, which is breaking the law 
itself by not sticking to its own commitments, is doing its best to 
undermine the right to protest. When nobody protests, which is what the 
government would prefer, it makes it easier for the problem to be swept 
under the carpet.

Except that it's actually a bit more nuanced than that. The 'ordinary 
people' who get very incensed by the protesters are actually a vocal 
minority, and amongst the silent majority I think there's probably a 
broad level of support for climate change protest, even though most of 
the silent majority might not get involved in protests themselves, or 
might even think that 'direct action' protests are counter-productive. 
And it's becoming increasingly difficult to sweep the problem under the 
carpet when there's something about it in the news almost every day, and 
the evidence of climate degradation is right there in front of our own 
eyes (particularly, where I live, the absence of things like songbirds, 
swallows, insects and frogs which used to be plentiful).

In the near future it's going to be more than just the impoverishment of 
the natural world: there are going to be more and more extreme weather 
disasters, which are going to lead to crop failures and food shortages. 
It's going to be impossible for anybody to ignore. And those are 
probably the only circumstances under which governments are going to 
acknowledge the problem and take concerted action.

Edward

On 9/29/23 10:40 PM, Johannes Birringer via NetBehaviour wrote:

> All the best to all of you affected by this!
>
> We really do live in very uncertain and frightening times, climate 
> change or the elements troubling us deeply, reminding us of the 
> planet's calamity.
> What I sometimes find annoying and difficult to comprehend is the 
> discussion about protesters (Last Generation interventions in Germany, 
> for example),
> as if there was any need to criminalize or condemn their actions, when 
> they try to point out that governments are not acting, or fulfilling 
> their promises
> or their own pronounced policies. Do you have debates about civil 
> disobedience in your regions and towns? how are these debates conducted?
>
> regards
> Johannes Birringeer
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 9:06 PM Catherine Daly via NetBehaviour 
> <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org 
> <mailto:netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote:
>
>     We're fine, but the flooding disrupted the entire train system in
>     Brooklyn (including LIRR).
>
>     Yikes!
>
>     On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 1:04 PM Edward Picot
>     <edward at edwardpicot.com <mailto:edward at edwardpicot.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     > I've just been reading in the Guardian about the flooding and
>     state of
>     > emergency in New York and surrounding areas. Is everyone over
>     there okay?
>     >
>     > Edward
>     >
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