[NetBehaviour] 1. Re: Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for Hell (Alan Sondheim)

Sun Oct 29 15:11:36 CET 2023

of course I agree with everyone here.
the word "anguish" - I've been thinking about this today, the word itself
portending towards the inconsolable, erosion, tension, but above all an
incandescent interiority of tears...
the book of Lamentations...

love to everyone...

On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 8:20 AM Suzon Fuks via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:

> Dear Alan and Johannes,
>
> Reading your posts...
> I am deeply distressed and sad, not much words.
>
> Feeling like being in crossed angers and polarised opinions made by the
> worst amalgam from social media. Even with close friends.
>
> All lives matter!!!
> No artistic triggers yet... just a dark hole
>
>
>
>
>
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>> From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at gmail.com>
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>> Hi Johannes,
>>
>> Here there was an attempted attack on a synagogue in Rhode Island, came to
>> nothing. The anti-semites will be out in force.
>> There's no comparison to 9/11 definitely, and the comparison does
>> discredit
>> to analysis, to what actually happened, etc. in both places.
>> What Hamas did was absolutely horrific, I can't imagine that, literally.
>> It
>> certainly changes the tenor of things.
>> There's so much to blame, all the way around, and I hate the hatreds that
>> also inflame these situations, make them worse.
>> I can't understand Netanyahu at all, the taunting, the bowing down before
>> Lord Trump - that's not the Judaism I know or ever want to know.
>> "ordinary" Israeli and "ordinary Palestinian citizens are caught up in all
>> of this...
>> For what it's worth also, my first wife and I honeymooned in Jerusalem -
>> on
>> the Arab side - and it was amazing. There were these small moments of
>> grace...
>> Attaching a photograph of me there when I was at Hebrew U. in 1962.
>>
>> Best, Alan, and thank you and everyone, and sorry for replying like crazy,
>> it's been weird...
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 5:23?PM Johannes Birringer via NetBehaviour <
>> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Alan
>> >
>> > thank you for your writing, your video with these fascinating 60 year
>> old
>> > photos, and your expression of despair.
>> >
>> > "That is what the world was and will be".
>> >
>> >  I tend to follow you here, it is a most distressing moment again, we
>> have
>> > wars now in the East
>> > and the West/Middle East, with many powers involved, from Iran to the US
>> > to Russia, I am sure, and the terrible mess will get worse, for all.
>> > The "Nation" article is no consolation (thanks, though, Paul!), how
>> could
>> > it.  I am not sure I like comparisons to 9/11 and the war that
>> followed, it
>> > simplifies the complex Israeli history and relations to Palestine and
>> the
>> > surrounding neighbors who speak of annihilating Israel though recently
>> also
>> > offered rapprochement. Did not some US senator or Congressman today
>> advise
>> > 'flattening" Gaza? Bombing it out of existence?
>> > It is also complex to read the news commentaries in the country where I
>> > live part-time (German solidarity to Israel expressed on government
>> level;
>> > Muslim and Palestinian sympathizers in Berlin dancing on the streets in
>> > jubilation!).
>> > FAZ newspaper interviewed Isareli author Lizzie Doron (Tel Aviv), and
>> she
>> > said "nothing will ever be as it was before."  (?).
>> > Another author (Deborah Feldman, who wrote "Unorthodox", a novel about
>> her
>> > escape from an ultra-Orthodox community in Brooklyn) was caught,
>> > unawares, at a literary symposium, and she offered at first, hearing
>> about
>> > the Hamas attack, a warning - saying, "it cannot be taken in, it is too
>> > much, there are no words to be found."
>> > Then she suggested that this terrible crisis also has internal Israel
>> > background contexts ? Netanyahu's policies, and attack on Israeli
>> > democracy to limit judicial independence, now combined with "security
>> > failures owed to moving military force to the West Bank to support
>> > ultra-orthodox settlers there, neglecting to protect secular Jews or the
>> > "less protection-worthy folks in the South near Gaza." This of course
>> makes
>> > one wonder what was known by the Military Intelligence and the Shin Bet
>> > security service, and what was allowed to happen. I have no idea. I am
>> > distressed, like Alan, and have no musical answer, or any answer.
>> >
>> > Johannes Birringer
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 10:04?PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <
>> > netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for Hell
>> >>
>> >> https://youtu.be/kYclag76v7g video (1962, 2023)
>> >>
>> >> I don't know you and I don't know myself. Maybe 60 years ago it
>> >> was different. I thought I knew something which was Wittgenstein
>> >> and I knew nothing. I knew the world was not right and I was not
>> >> right in the world and I acted accordingly. I acted politically.
>> >> It meant nothing. The world was all that is the case and acted
>> >> accordingly. I witnessed. We all acted accordingly and some of
>> >> us were remain distorted. Not just because of that knot, but the
>> >> world, unable to act accordingly. The few images from Jerusalem
>> >> 1962, there are a lot more but these are over and done with. So
>> >> I do play accordingly and to this day cannot conceive horror. I
>> >> was young when I read the medical volumes of the Nuremberg War
>> >> Trials and never recovered. That is what the world was and will
>> >> be. My certainty is violent. I am damaged and damage others and
>> >> try not to damage anyone or anything and fail. You can't witness
>> >> this and not _be,_ an existential statement. I return to it as
>> >> false premises, false history, as if I were someone. I'm not and
>> >> none of us are, given the world's grit. In 1962-63 I studied at
>> >> Hebrew University. The camera was a Minox, very small. Some of
>> >> what I photographed could not have been otherwise. Don't think
>> >> for a moment things have changed. This is exact. This fits like
>> >> a glove. This is perfection. The music isn't. I efface myself to
>> >> no avail because I constantly appear, as you do and your friends
>> >> do as well. When we're gone, most of our images will be gone as
>> >> well. The shadows decay in some brilliant and overpowering light
>> >> in the future. Those who are there will be blinded by its
>> >> insufferability.
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