[NetBehaviour] 1. Re: Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for Hell (Alan Sondheim)
Johannes Birringer
johannesbirringer1 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 31 17:55:33 CET 2023
One could not agree more, Suzon, and you put it well in your recent post
about all lives mattering, absolutely. And the care that needs to be felt
and expressed.
thank you for sharing.
As you all probably have done, I talk to friends, I listen, & read the news
about protests and demonstrations, attacks, violent incidents, which have
been streaming
out of the immediate catastrophic war territories, and the attack against
Israel now not only shadows the war in the Ukraine but also affects flows
of refugees
(from Ukraine and Russia, via Russa, via other ports, also from northern
African countries where people are migrating/fleeing other civil wars and
armed conflicts in Africa); it is hard to disentangle things.
We saw posts here on our list, asking for signing of petitions, but the
matters were not altogether clear to me, as there was reference to
genocide, and a call to stop military action in Gaza; what I did not quite
hear here and from the demonstrations (a huge one in London, others in
various cities in Germany, France, and other European countries) was a
petition to condemn Hamas's genocidal attack against Israeli citizens and
the kidnapping of innocent women, children, elderly.. holding them hostage,
and granting Israel the right to defense (the war on terror and US
reactions to 9/11 are cited in conversations, but less often is there
mentioning of non-existing so-called exit-strategies). There were many
shouts in these demonstrations about eliminating Israel "From the River to
the Sea", that's an open call to genocide, in my view, and nothing whatever
can justify this.
Suzon spoke of "being in crossed angers and polarised opinion" -- this may
be very true. But when one talks about massacres, genocide, self defense
and exit strategy, does one then realize there are no exits, or no peace
and reconciliations? We have experienced reconciliations, have we not?
respectfully
Johannes Birringer
On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 3:47 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>
> All lives matter, absolutely, and kindness and care matter so much in
> these dark days, looking after our friends, neighbors, as much as
> possible...
>
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, Suzon Fuks via NetBehaviour wrote:
>
> > Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 13:18:41 +0100
> > From: Suzon Fuks via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> > <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
> > Cc: Suzon Fuks <suzonfuks at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [NetBehaviour] 1. Re: Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for
> Hell
> > (Alan Sondheim)
> >
> > Dear Alan and Johannes,
> > Reading your posts...
> > I am deeply distressed and sad, not much words.
> >
> > Feeling like being in crossed angers and polarised opinions made by the
> > worst amalgam from social media. Even with close friends.
> >
> > All lives matter!!!
> > No artistic triggers yet... just a dark hole
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:59:53 -0400
> > From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at gmail.com>
> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
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> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music
> > for
> > Hell
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> > Hi Johannes,
> >
> > Here there was an attempted attack on a synagogue in Rhode
> > Island, came to
> > nothing. The anti-semites will be out in force.
> > There's no comparison to 9/11 definitely, and the comparison
> > does discredit
> > to analysis, to what actually happened, etc. in both places.
> > What Hamas did was absolutely horrific, I can't imagine that,
> > literally. It
> > certainly changes the tenor of things.
> > There's so much to blame, all the way around, and I hate the
> > hatreds that
> > also inflame these situations, make them worse.
> > I can't understand Netanyahu at all, the taunting, the bowing
> > down before
> > Lord Trump - that's not the Judaism I know or ever want to know.
> > "ordinary" Israeli and "ordinary Palestinian citizens are caught
> > up in all
> > of this...
> > For what it's worth also, my first wife and I honeymooned in
> > Jerusalem - on
> > the Arab side - and it was amazing. There were these small
> > moments of
> > grace...
> > Attaching a photograph of me there when I was at Hebrew U. in
> > 1962.
> >
> > Best, Alan, and thank you and everyone, and sorry for replying
> > like crazy,
> > it's been weird...
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 5:23?PM Johannes Birringer via
> > NetBehaviour <
> > netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Alan
> > >
> > > thank you for your writing, your video with these fascinating
> > 60 year old
> > > photos, and your expression of despair.
> > >
> > > "That is what the world was and will be".
> > >
> > > I tend to follow you here, it is a most distressing moment
> > again, we have
> > > wars now in the East
> > > and the West/Middle East, with many powers involved, from Iran
> > to the US
> > > to Russia, I am sure, and the terrible mess will get worse,
> > for all.
> > > The "Nation" article is no consolation (thanks, though,
> > Paul!), how could
> > > it. I am not sure I like comparisons to 9/11 and the war that
> > followed, it
> > > simplifies the complex Israeli history and relations to
> > Palestine and the
> > > surrounding neighbors who speak of annihilating Israel though
> > recently also
> > > offered rapprochement. Did not some US senator or Congressman
> > today advise
> > > 'flattening" Gaza? Bombing it out of existence?
> > > It is also complex to read the news commentaries in the
> > country where I
> > > live part-time (German solidarity to Israel expressed on
> > government level;
> > > Muslim and Palestinian sympathizers in Berlin dancing on the
> > streets in
> > > jubilation!).
> > > FAZ newspaper interviewed Isareli author Lizzie Doron (Tel
> > Aviv), and she
> > > said "nothing will ever be as it was before." (?).
> > > Another author (Deborah Feldman, who wrote "Unorthodox", a
> > novel about her
> > > escape from an ultra-Orthodox community in Brooklyn) was
> > caught,
> > > unawares, at a literary symposium, and she offered at first,
> > hearing about
> > > the Hamas attack, a warning - saying, "it cannot be taken in,
> > it is too
> > > much, there are no words to be found."
> > > Then she suggested that this terrible crisis also has internal
> > Israel
> > > background contexts ? Netanyahu's policies, and attack on
> > Israeli
> > > democracy to limit judicial independence, now combined with
> > "security
> > > failures owed to moving military force to the West Bank to
> > support
> > > ultra-orthodox settlers there, neglecting to protect secular
> > Jews or the
> > > "less protection-worthy folks in the South near Gaza." This of
> > course makes
> > > one wonder what was known by the Military Intelligence and the
> > Shin Bet
> > > security service, and what was allowed to happen. I have no
> > idea. I am
> > > distressed, like Alan, and have no musical answer, or any
> > answer.
> > >
> > > Johannes Birringer
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 10:04?PM Alan Sondheim via
> > NetBehaviour <
> > > netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for Hell
> > >>
> > >> https://youtu.be/kYclag76v7g video (1962, 2023)
> > >>
> > >> I don't know you and I don't know myself. Maybe 60 years ago
> > it
> > >> was different. I thought I knew something which was
> > Wittgenstein
> > >> and I knew nothing. I knew the world was not right and I was
> > not
> > >> right in the world and I acted accordingly. I acted
> > politically.
> > >> It meant nothing. The world was all that is the case and
> > acted
> > >> accordingly. I witnessed. We all acted accordingly and some
> > of
> > >> us were remain distorted. Not just because of that knot, but
> > the
> > >> world, unable to act accordingly. The few images from
> > Jerusalem
> > >> 1962, there are a lot more but these are over and done with.
> > So
> > >> I do play accordingly and to this day cannot conceive horror.
> > I
> > >> was young when I read the medical volumes of the Nuremberg
> > War
> > >> Trials and never recovered. That is what the world was and
> > will
> > >> be. My certainty is violent. I am damaged and damage others
> > and
> > >> try not to damage anyone or anything and fail. You can't
> > witness
> > >> this and not _be,_ an existential statement. I return to it
> > as
> > >> false premises, false history, as if I were someone. I'm not
> > and
> > >> none of us are, given the world's grit. In 1962-63 I studied
> > at
> > >> Hebrew University. The camera was a Minox, very small. Some
> > of
> > >> what I photographed could not have been otherwise. Don't
> > think
> > >> for a moment things have changed. This is exact. This fits
> > like
> > >> a glove. This is perfection. The music isn't. I efface myself
> > to
> > >> no avail because I constantly appear, as you do and your
> > friends
> > >> do as well. When we're gone, most of our images will be gone
> > as
> > >> well. The shadows decay in some brilliant and overpowering
> > light
> > >> in the future. Those who are there will be blinded by its
> > >> insufferability.
> > >>
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