[NetBehaviour] 1. Re: Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for Hell (Alan Sondheim)
Alan Sondheim
sondheim at gmail.com
Tue Oct 31 20:36:07 CET 2023
I keep thinking of _aporia_ :
"aporia
Rhetoric. the expression of a simulated or real doubt, as about where to
begin or what to do or say."
Logic, Philosophy. a difficulty encountered in establishing the theoretical
truth of a proposition, created by the presence of evidence both for and
against it.
Or: no way, nowhere to proceed, resulting (I think) in anxiety, also
difficult to define, an internal twisting/torsion/tension with no path to
proceed (but one must keep moving / one must stay alive):
-- which is where for believers prayer comes in - and that can well lead to
darkness as well as solace --
I'm reading (the twistings and turnings of Karl Kraus) which helps as I
become entangled in tangled language in the shadow of the embryonic
Holocaust -
Or at times, reading Lamentations and meditating on long time - but then
realizing with current weaponry and communications, how short earthly time
and space have become -
Then there are local news here, a close friend now in hospital after a
serious bicycle accident (we speak to the extent we can), that highschool
friend part of a mass murder -
Sometimes I think - it's better to not know, just in order to proceed - but
procedures themselves falter -
Back to Kraus (The Third Walpurgis Night), Kristeva's Powers of Horror
again later today (I think)
Question - does art-making, email list discussions, music help you? (it
does me)
http://www.alansondheim.org/testmodel2.jpg (art helps?)
Thanks and apologies for going on here, Alan
On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 12:56 PM Johannes Birringer via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
> One could not agree more, Suzon, and you put it well in your recent post
> about all lives mattering, absolutely. And the care that needs to be felt
> and expressed.
> thank you for sharing.
>
> As you all probably have done, I talk to friends, I listen, & read the
> news about protests and demonstrations, attacks, violent incidents, which
> have been streaming
> out of the immediate catastrophic war territories, and the attack against
> Israel now not only shadows the war in the Ukraine but also affects flows
> of refugees
> (from Ukraine and Russia, via Russa, via other ports, also from northern
> African countries where people are migrating/fleeing other civil wars and
> armed conflicts in Africa); it is hard to disentangle things.
> We saw posts here on our list, asking for signing of petitions, but the
> matters were not altogether clear to me, as there was reference to
> genocide, and a call to stop military action in Gaza; what I did not quite
> hear here and from the demonstrations (a huge one in London, others in
> various cities in Germany, France, and other European countries) was a
> petition to condemn Hamas's genocidal attack against Israeli citizens and
> the kidnapping of innocent women, children, elderly.. holding them hostage,
> and granting Israel the right to defense (the war on terror and US
> reactions to 9/11 are cited in conversations, but less often is there
> mentioning of non-existing so-called exit-strategies). There were many
> shouts in these demonstrations about eliminating Israel "From the River to
> the Sea", that's an open call to genocide, in my view, and nothing whatever
> can justify this.
> Suzon spoke of "being in crossed angers and polarised opinion" -- this may
> be very true. But when one talks about massacres, genocide, self defense
> and exit strategy, does one then realize there are no exits, or no peace
> and reconciliations? We have experienced reconciliations, have we not?
>
> respectfully
> Johannes Birringer
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 3:47 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> All lives matter, absolutely, and kindness and care matter so much in
>> these dark days, looking after our friends, neighbors, as much as
>> possible...
>>
>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, Suzon Fuks via NetBehaviour wrote:
>>
>> > Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 13:18:41 +0100
>> > From: Suzon Fuks via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> > <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> > Cc: Suzon Fuks <suzonfuks at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: [NetBehaviour] 1. Re: Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for
>> Hell
>> > (Alan Sondheim)
>> >
>> > Dear Alan and Johannes,
>> > Reading your posts...
>> > I am deeply distressed and sad, not much words.
>> >
>> > Feeling like being in crossed angers and polarised opinions made by the
>> > worst amalgam from social media. Even with close friends.
>> >
>> > All lives matter!!!
>> > No artistic triggers yet... just a dark hole
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:59:53 -0400
>> > From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at gmail.com>
>> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> > <netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music
>> > for
>> > Hell
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>> > Hi Johannes,
>> >
>> > Here there was an attempted attack on a synagogue in Rhode
>> > Island, came to
>> > nothing. The anti-semites will be out in force.
>> > There's no comparison to 9/11 definitely, and the comparison
>> > does discredit
>> > to analysis, to what actually happened, etc. in both places.
>> > What Hamas did was absolutely horrific, I can't imagine that,
>> > literally. It
>> > certainly changes the tenor of things.
>> > There's so much to blame, all the way around, and I hate the
>> > hatreds that
>> > also inflame these situations, make them worse.
>> > I can't understand Netanyahu at all, the taunting, the bowing
>> > down before
>> > Lord Trump - that's not the Judaism I know or ever want to know.
>> > "ordinary" Israeli and "ordinary Palestinian citizens are caught
>> > up in all
>> > of this...
>> > For what it's worth also, my first wife and I honeymooned in
>> > Jerusalem - on
>> > the Arab side - and it was amazing. There were these small
>> > moments of
>> > grace...
>> > Attaching a photograph of me there when I was at Hebrew U. in
>> > 1962.
>> >
>> > Best, Alan, and thank you and everyone, and sorry for replying
>> > like crazy,
>> > it's been weird...
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 5:23?PM Johannes Birringer via
>> > NetBehaviour <
>> > netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear Alan
>> > >
>> > > thank you for your writing, your video with these fascinating
>> > 60 year old
>> > > photos, and your expression of despair.
>> > >
>> > > "That is what the world was and will be".
>> > >
>> > > I tend to follow you here, it is a most distressing moment
>> > again, we have
>> > > wars now in the East
>> > > and the West/Middle East, with many powers involved, from Iran
>> > to the US
>> > > to Russia, I am sure, and the terrible mess will get worse,
>> > for all.
>> > > The "Nation" article is no consolation (thanks, though,
>> > Paul!), how could
>> > > it. I am not sure I like comparisons to 9/11 and the war that
>> > followed, it
>> > > simplifies the complex Israeli history and relations to
>> > Palestine and the
>> > > surrounding neighbors who speak of annihilating Israel though
>> > recently also
>> > > offered rapprochement. Did not some US senator or Congressman
>> > today advise
>> > > 'flattening" Gaza? Bombing it out of existence?
>> > > It is also complex to read the news commentaries in the
>> > country where I
>> > > live part-time (German solidarity to Israel expressed on
>> > government level;
>> > > Muslim and Palestinian sympathizers in Berlin dancing on the
>> > streets in
>> > > jubilation!).
>> > > FAZ newspaper interviewed Isareli author Lizzie Doron (Tel
>> > Aviv), and she
>> > > said "nothing will ever be as it was before." (?).
>> > > Another author (Deborah Feldman, who wrote "Unorthodox", a
>> > novel about her
>> > > escape from an ultra-Orthodox community in Brooklyn) was
>> > caught,
>> > > unawares, at a literary symposium, and she offered at first,
>> > hearing about
>> > > the Hamas attack, a warning - saying, "it cannot be taken in,
>> > it is too
>> > > much, there are no words to be found."
>> > > Then she suggested that this terrible crisis also has internal
>> > Israel
>> > > background contexts ? Netanyahu's policies, and attack on
>> > Israeli
>> > > democracy to limit judicial independence, now combined with
>> > "security
>> > > failures owed to moving military force to the West Bank to
>> > support
>> > > ultra-orthodox settlers there, neglecting to protect secular
>> > Jews or the
>> > > "less protection-worthy folks in the South near Gaza." This of
>> > course makes
>> > > one wonder what was known by the Military Intelligence and the
>> > Shin Bet
>> > > security service, and what was allowed to happen. I have no
>> > idea. I am
>> > > distressed, like Alan, and have no musical answer, or any
>> > answer.
>> > >
>> > > Johannes Birringer
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 10:04?PM Alan Sondheim via
>> > NetBehaviour <
>> > > netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for Hell
>> > >>
>> > >> https://youtu.be/kYclag76v7g video (1962, 2023)
>> > >>
>> > >> I don't know you and I don't know myself. Maybe 60 years ago
>> > it
>> > >> was different. I thought I knew something which was
>> > Wittgenstein
>> > >> and I knew nothing. I knew the world was not right and I was
>> > not
>> > >> right in the world and I acted accordingly. I acted
>> > politically.
>> > >> It meant nothing. The world was all that is the case and
>> > acted
>> > >> accordingly. I witnessed. We all acted accordingly and some
>> > of
>> > >> us were remain distorted. Not just because of that knot, but
>> > the
>> > >> world, unable to act accordingly. The few images from
>> > Jerusalem
>> > >> 1962, there are a lot more but these are over and done with.
>> > So
>> > >> I do play accordingly and to this day cannot conceive horror.
>> > I
>> > >> was young when I read the medical volumes of the Nuremberg
>> > War
>> > >> Trials and never recovered. That is what the world was and
>> > will
>> > >> be. My certainty is violent. I am damaged and damage others
>> > and
>> > >> try not to damage anyone or anything and fail. You can't
>> > witness
>> > >> this and not _be,_ an existential statement. I return to it
>> > as
>> > >> false premises, false history, as if I were someone. I'm not
>> > and
>> > >> none of us are, given the world's grit. In 1962-63 I studied
>> > at
>> > >> Hebrew University. The camera was a Minox, very small. Some
>> > of
>> > >> what I photographed could not have been otherwise. Don't
>> > think
>> > >> for a moment things have changed. This is exact. This fits
>> > like
>> > >> a glove. This is perfection. The music isn't. I efface myself
>> > to
>> > >> no avail because I constantly appear, as you do and your
>> > friends
>> > >> do as well. When we're gone, most of our images will be gone
>> > as
>> > >> well. The shadows decay in some brilliant and overpowering
>> > light
>> > >> in the future. Those who are there will be blinded by its
>> > >> insufferability.
>> > >>
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