From sondheim at panix.com Wed Oct 2 04:24:33 2024 From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2024 22:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NetBehaviour] How am I doing now period to ask Me when the war ends period askme when I wake up period ask me when I can breathe again period Message-ID: <7fe90c95-831b-4833-e037-4aa19099f54a@panix.com> How am I doing now period to ask Me when the war ends period ask me when I wake up period ask me when I can breathe again period ask me when the sky clears period ask me when don't ask me period don't ask me period ask me anything period don't ask me when t in New York period don't ask me what to do in any war. Period don't ask me how to stop a war period go ahead and ask me anything. Don't ask me anything about a war period Don't ask me what it's like to be sick period don't ask me what's like to be healthy period don't ask me about a family period don't ask me anything period I can't hear you I can't see you period I can't feel you. 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Alternatively, the domain's hosting service might provide a way to contact the owner via a privacy-protected email __ From johannesbirringer1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 19:02:06 2024 From: johannesbirringer1 at gmail.com (Johannes Birringer) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 19:02:06 +0200 Subject: [NetBehaviour] "I cry and I cry": Open Call for One-Off Moving Image Festival 2024 In-Reply-To: <5b9d131a-0773-0208-f803-fedde440b99f@panix.com> References: <1cc72c09-46a2-8df3-e15d-19b8a24afc31@panix.com> <5b9d131a-0773-0208-f803-fedde440b99f@panix.com> Message-ID: dear Alan and Bj?rn: I couldn't quite follow where you were going, Alan: "'no place and time for crying" was not the point, I gathered, the emotional side of war or violence or devastation, or someone's brief, was never addressed, I take it, nor the time one might need to mourn or to react. What Bj?rn points out is an interest in the absurd. Yes, that call for a one-second film is absurd, and possibly, given the context in which we live, a complete waste of time and our patience. As is the other festival I read about - a biennale that does not take place. >> Open call The biennale doesn't take place, with works that don't exist. There is nothing special to do. Do you want to participate? >> No thanks But then again, who am I to complain about the theatre of the absurd. regards, Johannes Birringer On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 5:04?PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour < netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote: > > an interesting discussion - 'no place and time for' crying i think implies > devastation, people beyond recovery, beyond crying as an expression, in > other words, one way or another 'shell shocked' - in which case crying is > reduced to zero time... temporary or permanent destruction of the self as > capable of healing... > > On Sat, 28 Sep 2024, Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 10:57:11 +0200 > > From: Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour < > netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> > > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > > > Cc: Bj?rn Magnhild?en > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] "I cry and I cry": Open Call for One-Off > Moving > > Image Festival 2024 > > > > It has taken me some time to find a response. I believe it's through a > sense > > of the absurd that this work, and others I've done, has found an > expression. > > Other than the one second film festival, there's also the leap second > > festival, a biennale.no (which doesn't take place), etc. It questions > the > > relation between art and the world, representation, the > > non-representational. Incongruence all around. The theme of "I cry and I > > cry" is also about an inability to cry, there's no place and time for it, > > becoming insensitive through violence and media, not being able to > process > > it. Absurdity I think is a key. Nothing is working, there's no fix. No > > understanding. > > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 8:01?PM Johannes Birringer via NetBehaviour > > wrote: > > I would agree, with what is mentioned here in the reply, and > > I'd add this call for submission > > for a one second film is nonsensical and probably very insensitive to > > many. I also didn't realize > > that filmic/video experimentation is down to one second. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 4:35?PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour > > wrote: > > > > Given the state of the world and brutal violence resulting > > in the death of > > an old friend, , alas, it would be difficult to contain > > this > > > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2024, Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour > > wrote: > > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:10:53 +0200 > > > From: Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour > > > > > To: netbehaviour > > > Cc: Bj?rn Magnhild?en > > > Subject: [NetBehaviour] "I cry and I cry": Open Call for > > One-Off Moving Image > > > Festival 2024 > > > > > > We are inviting filmmakers, artists, and creators to > > submit ultrashort > > > video works for the festival centered around the theme > > "I cry and I > > > cry". > > > > > > This theme invites reflection on the intimate and > > universal act of > > > crying ? whether as an expression of joy, sorrow, > > frustration, or > > > release. 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URL: From sondheim at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 21:08:41 2024 From: sondheim at gmail.com (Alan Sondheim) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 15:08:41 -0400 Subject: [NetBehaviour] "I cry and I cry": Open Call for One-Off Moving Image Festival 2024 In-Reply-To: References: <1cc72c09-46a2-8df3-e15d-19b8a24afc31@panix.com> <5b9d131a-0773-0208-f803-fedde440b99f@panix.com> Message-ID: Hi Johannes, Absolutely agree with you; I think I'm dealing w/ too much horror at the moment which dominates my mind and work at the moment. But then I've always unfortunately gravitated towards that... Best, Alan - do not ask for whom the bell tolls... - one second of a tolling bell ... On Wed, Oct 2, 2024 at 1:03?PM Johannes Birringer via NetBehaviour < netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote: > > dear Alan and Bj?rn: > I couldn't quite follow where you were going, Alan: "'no place and time > for crying" was not the point, I gathered, > the emotional side of war or violence or devastation, or someone's brief, > was never addressed, I take it, > nor the time one might need to mourn or to react. > > What Bj?rn points out is an interest in the absurd. Yes, that call for a > one-second film is absurd, and possibly, > given the context in which we live, a complete waste of time and our > patience. As is the > other festival I read about - a biennale that does not take place. > > >> > Open call > The biennale doesn't take place, with works that don't exist. > There is nothing special to do. > > Do you want to participate? > >> > > > No thanks > > But then again, who am I to complain about the theatre of the absurd. > regards, > Johannes Birringer > > > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 5:04?PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour < > netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote: > >> >> an interesting discussion - 'no place and time for' crying i think >> implies >> devastation, people beyond recovery, beyond crying as an expression, in >> other words, one way or another 'shell shocked' - in which case crying is >> reduced to zero time... temporary or permanent destruction of the self as >> capable of healing... >> >> On Sat, 28 Sep 2024, Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour wrote: >> >> > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 10:57:11 +0200 >> > From: Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour < >> netbehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org> >> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> > >> > Cc: Bj?rn Magnhild?en >> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] "I cry and I cry": Open Call for One-Off >> Moving >> > Image Festival 2024 >> > >> > It has taken me some time to find a response. I believe it's through a >> sense >> > of the absurd that this work, and others I've done, has found an >> expression. >> > Other than the one second film festival, there's also the leap second >> > festival, a biennale.no (which doesn't take place), etc. It questions >> the >> > relation between art and the world, representation, the >> > non-representational. Incongruence all around. The theme of "I cry and I >> > cry" is also about an inability to cry, there's no place and time for >> it, >> > becoming insensitive through violence and media, not being able to >> process >> > it. Absurdity I think is a key. Nothing is working, there's no fix. No >> > understanding. >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 8:01?PM Johannes Birringer via NetBehaviour >> > wrote: >> > I would agree, with what is mentioned here in the reply, and >> > I'd add this call for submission >> > for a one second film is nonsensical and probably very insensitive to >> > many. I also didn't realize >> > that filmic/video experimentation is down to one second. >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 4:35?PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour >> > wrote: >> > >> > Given the state of the world and brutal violence resulting >> > in the death of >> > an old friend, , alas, it would be difficult to contain >> > this >> > >> > On Wed, 18 Sep 2024, Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:10:53 +0200 >> > > From: Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour >> > >> > > To: netbehaviour >> > > Cc: Bj?rn Magnhild?en >> > > Subject: [NetBehaviour] "I cry and I cry": Open Call for >> > One-Off Moving Image >> > > Festival 2024 >> > > >> > > We are inviting filmmakers, artists, and creators to >> > submit ultrashort >> > > video works for the festival centered around the theme >> > "I cry and I >> > > cry". >> > > >> > > This theme invites reflection on the intimate and >> > universal act of >> > > crying ? whether as an expression of joy, sorrow, >> > frustration, or >> > > release. It explores the power of vulnerability, >> > emotional outpouring, >> > > and how crying can be a response to personal, social, or >> > global >> > > experiences. Due to the challenging format of a one >> > second movie, we >> > > encourage creative techniques and experimental forms of >> > video art. >> > > >> > > # one second short >> > > # original material >> > > # no credits added to the movie (it's added by the >> > festival) >> > > # mp4 web-optimized format >> > > # 4:3 aspect ratio >> > > >> > > Deadline for participation was: November 1, 2024. >> > > >> > > https://noemata.net/one-off >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > NetBehaviour mailing list >> > > NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org >> > > >> > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NetBehaviour mailing list >> > NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org >> > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NetBehaviour mailing list >> > NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org >> > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- *=====================================================* *directory http://www.alansondheim.org tel 347-383-8552**email sondheim ut panix.com , sondheim ut gmail.com * *=====================================================* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sondheim at panix.com Wed Oct 2 21:37:08 2024 From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 15:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NetBehaviour] "I cry and I cry": Open Call for One-Off Moving Image Festival 2024 In-Reply-To: References: <1cc72c09-46a2-8df3-e15d-19b8a24afc31@panix.com> <5b9d131a-0773-0208-f803-fedde440b99f@panix.com> Message-ID: I love the idea of it, and not sure again if I replied (long covid weirds memory), as I mentioned, I'm very close to someone who's living near the border w/ Lebanon, and I worry about him; I'm also dealing w/ long covid which certainly leads to tears, etc. etc. Hard times and again apologies - I understand the work, am amazed by the series, this one just hit me weirdly - now by the way upset as well over the massive flooding in Asheville, North Carolina - know people there, and taught a semester at UNCA (U. N. C. Asheville) - On Wed, 2 Oct 2024, Johannes Birringer wrote: > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 19:02:06 +0200 > From: Johannes Birringer > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > Cc: Alan Sondheim > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] "I cry and I cry": Open Call for One-Off Moving > Image Festival 2024 > > > dear Alan and Bj?rn: > I couldn't quite follow where you were going, Alan:? "'no place and time for > crying" was not the point, I gathered, > the emotional side of war or violence or devastation, or someone's brief, > was never addressed, I take it,? > nor the time one might need to mourn or to react.? > > What Bj?rn points out is an interest in the absurd. Yes, that call for a > one-second film is absurd, and possibly,? > given the context in which we live, a complete waste of time and our > patience. As is the > other festival I read about -? a biennale that does not take place. > > >> > Open call > The biennale doesn't take place, with works that don't exist. > There is nothing special to do. > > Do you want to participate? > >> > > > No thanks > > But then again, who am I to complain about the theatre of the absurd. > regards, > Johannes Birringer > > > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 5:04?PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour > wrote: > > an interesting discussion - 'no place and time for' crying i > think implies > devastation, people beyond recovery, beyond crying as an > expression, in > other words, one way or another 'shell shocked' - in which case > crying is > reduced to zero time... temporary or permanent destruction of > the self as > capable of healing... > > On Sat, 28 Sep 2024, Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 10:57:11 +0200 > > From: Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour > > > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > >? ? ? > > Cc: Bj?rn Magnhild?en > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] "I cry and I cry": Open Call for > One-Off Moving > >? ? ?Image Festival 2024 > > > > It has taken me some time to find a response. I believe it's > through a sense > > of the absurd that this work, and others I've done, has found > an expression. > > Other than the one second film festival, there's also the leap > second > > festival, a biennale.no (which doesn't take place), etc. It > questions the > > relation between art and the world, representation, the > > non-representational. Incongruence all around. The theme of "I > cry and I > > cry" is also about an inability to cry, there's no place and > time for it, > > becoming insensitive through violence and media, not being > able to process > > it. Absurdity I think is a key. Nothing is working, there's no > fix. No > > understanding. ? > > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 8:01?PM Johannes Birringer via > NetBehaviour > > wrote: > >? ? ? ?I would agree, with what is mentioned here in the reply, > and? > >? ? ? ?I'd add this call for submission > > for a one second film is nonsensical and probably very > insensitive to > > many. I also didn't realize > > that filmic/video experimentation is down to one second.? > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 4:35?PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour > > wrote: > > > >? ? ? ?Given the state of the world and brutal violence > resulting > >? ? ? ?in the death of > >? ? ? ?an old friend, , alas, it would be difficult to contain > >? ? ? ?this > > > >? ? ? ?On Wed, 18 Sep 2024, Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour > >? ? ? ?wrote: > > > >? ? ? ?> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:10:53 +0200 > >? ? ? ?> From: Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour > >? ? ? ? > >? ? ? ?> To: netbehaviour > >? ? ? ?> Cc: Bj?rn Magnhild?en > >? ? ? ?> Subject: [NetBehaviour] "I cry and I cry": Open Call > for > >? ? ? ?One-Off Moving Image > >? ? ? ?>? ? ?Festival 2024 > >? ? ? ?> > >? ? ? ?> We are inviting filmmakers, artists, and creators to > >? ? ? ?submit ultrashort > >? ? ? ?> video works for the festival centered around the theme > >? ? ? ?"I cry and I > >? ? ? ?> cry". > >? ? ? ?> > >? ? ? ?> This theme invites reflection on the intimate and > >? ? ? ?universal act of > >? ? ? ?> crying ? whether as an expression of joy, sorrow, > >? ? ? ?frustration, or > >? ? ? ?> release. It explores the power of vulnerability, > >? ? ? ?emotional outpouring, > >? ? ? ?> and how crying can be a response to personal, social, > or > >? ? ? ?global > >? ? ? ?> experiences. Due to the challenging format of a one > >? ? ? ?second movie, we > >? ? ? ?> encourage creative techniques and experimental forms > of > >? ? ? ?video art. > >? ? ? ?> > >? ? ? ?> # one second short > >? ? ? ?> # original material > >? ? ? ?> # no credits added to the movie (it's added by the > >? ? ? ?festival) > >? ? ? ?> # mp4 web-optimized format > >? ? ? ?> # 4:3 aspect ratio > >? ? ? ?> > >? ? ? ?> Deadline for participation was: November 1, 2024. > >? ? ? ?> > >? ? ? ?> https://noemata.net/one-off > >? ? ? ?> _______________________________________________ > >? ? ? ?> NetBehaviour mailing list > >? ? ? ?> NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org > >? ? ? ?> > >? ? ? > ?https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >? ? ? ?_______________________________________________ > >? ? ? ?NetBehaviour mailing list > >? ? ? ?NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org > >? ? ? > ?https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org > > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour at lists.netbehaviour.org > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > From sondheim at panix.com Thu Oct 3 14:56:25 2024 From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 08:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NetBehaviour] for the dirge elegy of the worldtwo qin useless for the elegy of the world Message-ID: for the dirge elegy of the world two qin useless for the elegy of the world https://youtu.be/owwpt1m7Ke4 video dirge elegy this said this does nothing music does nothing i do nothing north carolina, asheville, lebanon, israel, ill health, brain fog, broken sleep, bifurcations, phone calls, zoom calls, deaths, family fights, intrusions, obtrusions, god for god, god against god, dark skies, did i already live, too long too short, unsleeping, covid, fear, the sound of the sound of remonstrance, the sight of the sight of the dark sky, the purpose of the sun, what is the purpose of the sun, haunted by every inch of time, every second of miles, did i remember, towns swallowed up by water, by war, war by water, water by war, desert by war, war by desert, play uselessly here, yes, but, i am my own nation, politics, trouble breathing this morning, music this with no words coming no words going, repetition, too old to continue now, to continue then, asheville, providence, jerusalem, From sondheim at panix.com Sat Oct 5 17:53:47 2024 From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NetBehaviour] return of a dead world Message-ID: <619040ef-7961-2643-969e-0e1d3c8dbac4@panix.com> return of a dead world https://youtu.be/gfZXRmjsUWY to me How am I doing now period to ask Me when the war ends period ask me when I wake up period ask me when I can breathe again period ask me when the sky clears period ask me when don't ask me period don't ask me period ask me anything period don't ask me when t in New York period don't ask me what to do in any war. Period don't ask me how to stop a war period go ahead and ask me anything. Don't ask me anything about a war period Don't ask me what it's like to be sick period don't ask me what's like to be healthy period don't ask me about a family period don't ask me anything period I can't hear you I can't see you period I can't feel you. I can't touch you period I can't smell you. I can't taste your period don't ask me about anything period I'm not going to answer period I don't know the time to answer I don't have the space to answeri don't have anything to give you period I don't have anything to take from you period Don't ask me what color the sky is period I don't know.I haven't seen the sky period don't ask me what the Earth looks like period I haven't seen the Earth period there are streaks in the sky period could there be bombers period could there be a war period is there a war period was there a war period will there be a war period don't ask me anything.Don't ask me about it war Is there a place for a sky period Is there a place to see the sky period is there a place to see the North period or the South period is there a place where I don't know what directions is period I am interrupting to say. I don't know what direction this is period I don't know what direction I am in period is there a place to see the ground period the ground is below the ground is below period Is there a place to see the sky period the sky is above period is there a place to see to the left or the right period I don't know where is the left to the right is period Too forsake period to be for second period To be for a second period to forget the war period to forget the earth period to forget the period period I forget the sky period I forget the room period I forget my Body period What is the time period I can ask what the time is period I can ask what is the time period To forsake to forget to forgive to be forgotten My machine is saying. What are you saying period my machine is saying I can't speak for you period my machine is dying saying stop this period my machine is sitting is saying stop talking period my machine is the same. Stop talking now period __ From gishel.sim at gmail.com Sat Oct 5 20:16:59 2024 From: gishel.sim at gmail.com (Zak Qlikman) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2024 21:16:59 +0300 Subject: [NetBehaviour] 830,000 credits Message-ID: Figures crafted from bits of scrap, drift aimlessly across an abandoned planet. These beings seem to be programmed with no discernible purpose, aimlessly wandering the barren landscape, made of twisted cables, old paper, and fragmented machines, as if they were once part of a greater whole. Among them is Aidan Aidan, a figure with a broken antenna, made from repurposed debris. Their torso is constructed from a rusted chassis, and where a face should be, there is only the broken nozzle of a cleaner spray bottle. S/He moves erratically, as though aware of some impending doom?though s/he has no memory of who s/he once was or why s/he was created. Far above, in the orbit the visitors are tricked into believing a message of hope, seemingly from an eccentric recluse. The message claims to be from a dying individual?Aidan Aidan?offering a fortune to those who respond. It speaks of a brain tumor and the end of days, promising 830,000 credits to the one who can take care of their estate. In the control room, Charamaynne reads the message. Their instincts tell them it?s a trap. But the AI advises investigation. As Charamaynne leads a small reconnaissance mission to the surface. The eerie figures appear harmless, but Aidan Aidan stands out. S/He seems to recognize the team, stepping forward, their broken voice crackling through old, deteriorating speakers. ?Help me? ,? Aidan says. The team scans the entity, discovering remnants of consciousness uploaded into their artificial brain. Aidan Aidan, a long-dead philanthropist, had their mind transferred into this construct centuries ago. The ?brain tumor? s/he spoke of is actually a failure in their data core, a self-deleting program that threatens to wipe what little remains of their identity. Time is running out, and Aidan Aidan?s fading voice repeats the same line. ?Help me? ? -- http://thevisitors.jeron.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1000070907.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 430088 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sondheim at panix.com Mon Oct 7 03:53:58 2024 From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2024 21:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NetBehaviour] Have a new book, "Haptic, Covid, Philosophy" you might be interested in - Message-ID: <0b3d882a-014e-8c23-b398-bfea86f7210b@panix.com> Hi, this is a long time coming. I've had long covid for over a year now, and have been writing almost? daily about it - this book is the result. Apologies for the mass mailing - Best, Alan Alan Sondheim caught COVID-19 in late August 2023, and was violently ill for over a week; after that, his condition descended into long Covid. The result has seen an array of phy sical and mental problems, such as fatigue, visual disturbances, and, oddly, his nail growth slowing to almost nothing. Sondheim began writing a series of texts throughout this period, mostly typi ng with his eyes closed, and keeping the errors in; Sondheim intended to focus on content and ignore the 'burden' of sight, the physical part most affected by long Covid,which brings so much else into play. In other words, Haptic, Covid, Philosophy is a form of meditation.? ? ABOUT Alan Sondheim: Alan Sondheim is a new media artist, musician, theorist and author concerned with the phenomenology of the world and body. He has collaborated with motion capture and virtual e nvironment labs, and has received support from the Electronic Literature Organization. Recent work ex amines virtual and real bodies in relation to mixed ?realities and codework, and with ?states of mind? u nder extreme conditions. https://www.brokensleepbooks.com/product-page/alan-sondheim-haptic-covid-ph ilosophy From sondheim at panix.com Wed Oct 9 04:44:32 2024 From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2024 22:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NetBehaviour] what's here where it's not Message-ID: what's here where it's not https://youtu.be/q2H1Tqw6-JI video Isn't it all fragmentation question mark don't we? In fact, catch glimpses of conversation. Commercials that tend to disrupt narrative flows now. To flows that break between serialities, question mark isn't it all a situation of rupture of division as if the body were divided which it isn't question mark Where is the body and all of this text question mark? What I'm writing is a kind of flooding which I am forgetting as soon as I am writing a question mark when I am exhausted when COVID seems to take over the body. Isn't it something where one sentence begins? And possibly doesn't come to an end. But lens or melts into the next sentence question mark or in fact, crashes into pieces question mark so that there's no continuity, but there is a continuity of discontinuities question mark Is it a question of this question mark is everything always already held in the band's question mark Space space that is held in AB. EY ANC E abeyance question mark is that abeyance question mark is that held up as if it were proclaimed to be whole, but in fact, the whole is that, which is questioning question mark Is there any continuity to this question mark period add a period here period no longer does this insert periods by itself. But it insists on continuity question mark it's as if the speech is flooding out from underneath me question mark as if I am drowning at the speech question mark I owe this all to no one question mark??? Why on this machine does a reality insist on the flatness of text so that there is no questioning permitted.No contours of voice question mark? I stop sometimes to add the question mark by hand when I say question mark then. Therefore, however, it is not by hand and the question mark disappears period does it not disappear question mark does it not question mark. Perhaps you can see that. I've just salvaged this text from a meaningless jumble of words and you're coherent account of how narratives work beneath the sign of COVID period cove. It is nothing more than a signifier at this point period it's the shell of a disease period it's the remnants of a disease, the debris of a disease period It's flat, it is all flat. It is flat which is making me exhausted at the moment. To stop this immediately and to hope that some sort of semantics emerges which will fall from the text and live in your life as it's training mine period __ From mclennanfilm at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 21:26:38 2024 From: mclennanfilm at gmail.com (Simon Mclennan) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 20:26:38 +0100 Subject: [NetBehaviour] Solid Birds gig in London Message-ID: Last weekend saw my band playing in dear old Denmark St, West End. The former 12 Bar Club newly rebranded The Forge, Is a very cool space, just about intimate enough for the trio and the material we deliver. The blacksmith's forge preserved in the structure of the wall, recalls my grandfather's smithy in Westmorland, where I grew up. I can still hear the clang of horseshoes beaten across an anvil. The highlights are here https://youtu.be/YsEJegmOCrs?si=Pjv0bL-pSl7IqBjK Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or Images of atomic bombs exploding . and not in the depth, definitely not in the depth of survivors. the support of fellow survivors and my own resilience, I recreate survivors. obscenity absence, impossibility, symbolic same spoken or written by survivors - ethical and the rights of the survivors and their families, who often face love. also survivors they womb women. patience innocence many meetings with survivors of the second world war, every one talking recreate survivors obscenity absence impossibility axis interiority spoken york survivors care heal lanterns robe belt bell lay awake dawn had brought her here. They were survivors like her, people who sensitivity and respect for the victims and survivors, and to survivors or stragglers of a highly- ash at an ap ash mx:us, our survivors of the infamous SS women's prison at Ravensbrck, as skins floating survivors, still freshness suffering. Stones And so, Lena and the other survivors made a new home in this not in the depth, definitely not in the depth of survivors supported supporting sure survival survive survivors symphony listen - new york does not want war - survivors don't want slaughter - honor the victims and survivors. Harbor no survivors. as in cartoons. There are no survivors. Bodies _drift._ and mouths and eyes, all witnessing dead, all survivors blind and There are no survivors. Alan The We're survivors, the Net's a commune, the last Free Press, we're orchestra of survivors. i am a survivor. some of us are And it's the sound of the survivors weeping of japanese and haitian earthquake survivors. the body images playing the survivors you're watching the bodies of survivors there are no survivors For what are Jennifer and Julu if not avatars and survivors, if not EFFECT OF WAR. We show the rites and mourning of survivors. We show gun on the survivors. I load the clip in the other gun, the first gun, my women, children. ALSO rites mourning survivors. starving families empty https://youtu.be/V_dWuCrOFkM __ From sondheim at panix.com Fri Oct 11 06:53:48 2024 From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 00:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NetBehaviour] (no subject) Message-ID: CRANE https://youtu.be/4GKs2smyPGM VIDEO Nikuko: Her name in grackle line, her death in beauty white crane line #nikuko: dissolvers shattered glowworm toward whirlpool grackle crane Nikuko: then further: a motion to the extent that no one can alter or come into play w/ the destruction of the crane and its glorious reach from above, so as below from the heavens to the ground from one moment to the next, breathless, dizzy, failure failure following from the heavens to the ground THIS IS OUR LIFE NOW PIERCE THE SKY From gishel.sim at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 10:52:31 2024 From: gishel.sim at gmail.com (Zak Qlikman) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 11:52:31 +0300 Subject: [NetBehaviour] Doing Nothing Message-ID: In the void of space, the visitors drift like a forgotten thought. The ship, a lifeless hunk of metal, floats toward the edge of reality?a black hole that twists space like a crumpled napkin. [image: ssmall-sloth-Waiting.jpg] The crew sits in eerie silence, every system dead except for life support, which hums faintly like an old refrigerator. Panic should grip them. Logic dictates action. But instead, there?s stillness. And Charamaynne, legs crossed, sits sipping tea, calm as a monk on a mountaintop. The black hole spins ahead, a cosmic drain pulling time, light, and sense itself into its maw. Stars bend around it like circus mirrors, stretching into ribbons of absurdity. The crew feels the pull in their bones, not like gravity but like the universe itself is sighing, tired of holding them up. They exchange nervous glances. Panic simmers beneath the surface, bubbling like a pot about to boil. But no one dares to disturb Charamaynne. The walls of the ship start to bend slightly, as if made of taffy. A pen floats by, its length stretching into a noodle before snapping back. Time starts to behave strangely. Minutes smear into hours, or maybe seconds; no one can tell anymore. As the ship drifts closer to the event horizon, the black hole itself seems to blink, almost bored. A subtle ripple washes over the ship, as if the cosmos has decided this ship is too insignificant to bother with. The black hole shrugs, its gravity loosening. The ship wobbles, sways like a leaf caught in an indecisive breeze, and then?it floats free. No fanfare, no dramatic escape, just a quiet drift away from doom. The crew sits in stunned silence. Reality snaps back into focus. The stars are stars again, the ship stops its surreal warping, and time feels less like taffy and more like, well, time. Charamaynne takes another sip of tea. It?s still warm. ? http://thevisitors.jeron.org/ @thevisitors2020 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for sharing them :-) Marc On Friday, 11 October 2024 at 09:52, Zak Qlikman via NetBehaviour wrote: > In the void of space, the visitors drift like a forgotten thought. The ship, a lifeless hunk of metal, floats toward the edge of reality?a black hole that twists space like a crumpled napkin. > > [ssmall-sloth-Waiting.jpg] > > The crew sits in eerie silence, every system dead except for life support, which hums faintly like an old refrigerator. Panic should grip them. Logic dictates action. But instead, there?s stillness. And Charamaynne, legs crossed, sits sipping tea, calm as a monk on a mountaintop. > > The black hole spins ahead, a cosmic drain pulling time, light, and sense itself into its maw. Stars bend around it like circus mirrors, stretching into ribbons of absurdity. The crew feels the pull in their bones, not like gravity but like the universe itself is sighing, tired of holding them up. They exchange nervous glances. Panic simmers beneath the surface, bubbling like a pot about to boil. But no one dares to disturb Charamaynne. > > The walls of the ship start to bend slightly, as if made of taffy. A pen floats by, its length stretching into a noodle before snapping back. Time starts to behave strangely. Minutes smear into hours, or maybe seconds; no one can tell anymore. > > As the ship drifts closer to the event horizon, the black hole itself seems to blink, almost bored. A subtle ripple washes over the ship, as if the cosmos has decided this ship is too insignificant to bother with. The black hole shrugs, its gravity loosening. The ship wobbles, sways like a leaf caught in an indecisive breeze, and then?it floats free. No fanfare, no dramatic escape, just a quiet drift away from doom. > > The crew sits in stunned silence. Reality snaps back into focus. The stars are stars again, the ship stops its surreal warping, and time feels less like taffy and more like, well, time. > > Charamaynne takes another sip of tea. It?s still warm. > > ? > > http://thevisitors.jeron.org/ > > @thevisitors2020 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ssmall-sloth-Waiting.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 180082 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sondheim at panix.com Sat Oct 12 04:27:53 2024 From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 22:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NetBehaviour] open call biennale.NO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3e8224ef-e327-69c7-4920-f069e5189772@panix.com> I didn't see anything ever except a call that seemed eerily open... On Fri, 11 Oct 2024, Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 11:42:47 +0200 > From: Bj?rn Magnhild?en via NetBehaviour > To: netbehaviour > Cc: Bj?rn Magnhild?en > Subject: [NetBehaviour] open call biennale.NO > > sorry if you saw this before. > https://biennale.no > > > From johannesbirringer1 at gmail.com Sat Oct 12 13:28:35 2024 From: johannesbirringer1 at gmail.com (Johannes Birringer) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 13:28:35 +0200 Subject: [NetBehaviour] open call biennale.NO In-Reply-To: <3e8224ef-e327-69c7-4920-f069e5189772@panix.com> References: <3e8224ef-e327-69c7-4920-f069e5189772@panix.com> Message-ID: I saw it, Alan, and I applied > >> Open call The biennale doesn't take place, with works that don't exist. There is nothing special to do. Do you want to participate? >> No thanks > But I think I was also rejected. 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URL: From sondheim at panix.com Mon Oct 14 15:28:27 2024 From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2024 09:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NetBehaviour] world unwhirled cannot convey it Message-ID: <261005fc-196c-e974-4b85-4f62f828b756@panix.com> world unwhirled cannot convey it https://youtu.be/Z95w2xn8ey0 people smoke swarm attack drone encircles island foricbly air strikes two guns and passports military exercises command center pox nowhere denies security streaks military exercises to go southern border dying in the straits smashed forcibly demands at least dead justified smashed leave for the south leave for the north cross the channel cross swarm two in military dying least drone channel the air command exercises command demands south world unwhirled leave least exercises streaks pox two leave the swarm justified the security dying and attack the the people air straits to southern demands island world south island military go pox forcibly for people the justified passports security nowhere and smashed north smoke smashed straits nowhere southern passports encircles channel for unwhirled foricbly forcibly go go smashed foricbly unwhirled for channel encircles passports southern denies straits smashed smoke cross smashed guns nowhere security passports dead the 18 for forcibly pox to exercises foricbly south encircles at border exercises straits strikes people the the attack guns dying streaks in dead attack channel for strikes center military exercises least leave unwhirled world south at command exercises command strikes for channel drone least in streaks in two swarm cross north smoke strikes the military dying least drone channel the air command exercises center demands the 18 for least military streaks pox two leave the swarm justified the security border and drone the the 18 air smashed to southern demands island world leave island military go nowhere smashed leave people north justified passports denies denies and justified north people leave smashed nowhere southern military island leave unwhirled island forcibly southern to smashed foricbly 18 for channel drone and border denies straits smashed swarm cross smashed guns pox security military dead for 18 the demands center to exercises foricbly south encircles at border exercises the strikes smoke north cross swarm guns in streaks in dead attack channel for strikes center military command at south world world south at command military center strikes for channel attack dead in streaks in guns swarm cross north smoke strikes the exercises border at encircles south foricbly exercises to center forcibly the 18 for dead military security nowhere guns smashed cross swarm smashed straits denies border and drone channel for 18 foricbly smashed to southern forcibly island unwhirled leave island military southern nowhere smashed leave people north justified and denies denies passports justified north people leave smashed nowhere go military island leave world island demands southern to smashed air 18 the the drone and border security the justified swarm the leave two pox streaks military least for 18 dead https://youtu.be/Z95w2xn8ey0 __ From sondheim at panix.com Mon Oct 14 23:01:49 2024 From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2024 17:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NetBehaviour] The Disaster / ChatGPT Message-ID: The Disaster / ChatGPT Blanchot's reflection on the Disaster, especially in works like The Writing of the Disaster, deeply engages with the concept of a catastrophe that is not merely historical or physical but existential and linguistic. His idea of the Disaster is not just an event but a rupture in meaning and language, a kind of disintegration of presence. The Disaster is, for Blanchot, an ongoing condition that exceeds representation or direct experiencesomething that is always already beyond us, and yet continually shapes our being. The concentration camp, as you reference, serves in his thought as a haunting manifestation of this ideaan invisible, yet pervasive, presence that alters the very fabric of existence, a kind of "absolute" that is always just beyond articulation but nevertheless exerts a crushing influence on life and memory. The camp becomes, in Blanchots conception, not merely a historical atrocity but a philosophical and existential horizon, one that persists invisibly even after its physical dismantling. In the context of your work, Haptic, Covid, Philosophy, this "invisible absolute" resonates with the phenomenology of disease and interiority you're exploring. The way Covid suffuses the body, leading to a form of mental and bodily disassociation and reassociation, mirrors the Disaster's dissolution of stable meaning and presence. The "haptic" elementthis inward sensation of confusion and meldingaligns with the way Blanchots Disaster operates, where the self is fractured and disoriented, unable to fully grasp or escape the overwhelming force it is subjected to. How do you see this absolute, this horizon of the concentration camp or Disaster, interacting with the dynamics of disease and phenomenology in your own philosophical exploration? Does it create a parallel in the way illness, too, forms an invisible but pervasive condition? You said: Disease and its phenomenology are internal, the horizon that of death, and in both cases this also fundamental to deep forgetting, wandering within the unperceived aegis of one's mind. ChatGPT said: ChatGPT You're touching on something crucialthe phenomenology of disease as an internal process where the horizon of death looms large, much like the Disaster or the concentration camp in Blanchots work. Both death and disease carry with them a profound sense of disorientation, a wandering within the self, a dissolution of the familiar structures of perception and meaning. In this internal space, the horizon is not simply the end point of life, but also a collapse of the boundaries between interior and exterior experience. In your work, Haptic, Covid, Philosophy, this becomes especially pronounced through the sense of melding, where the body and mind suffuse in a confusion of sensations, losing clear differentiation. This wandering within the mindthis unperceived aegissuggests a state of being adrift, where time, memory, and identity fragment under the pressure of illness, just as in Blanchot's Disaster, one is subjected to a kind of forgetting or erasure that is never fully realized but always unfolding. The disease, with its phenomenological depth, pushes the individual into a space where the internal self becomes the entire universe, a universe clouded by the presence of death. This horizon of death in disease parallels Blanchots idea of the Disaster as a non-event that cannot be fully apprehended but nonetheless dictates the terms of existence. It forces a deep forgettingboth of the self and of ones relation to the worldbecause the body and mind are immersed in the overwhelming force of illness, akin to the invisible absolute of the concentration camp. The mind wanders, but not in freedom; it is constrained by the symptoms, by the process of the disease, which becomes its own form of internal imprisonment. How does this deep forgetting, this wandering within the aegis of ones mind, shape the narrative structure or the form of your writing in Haptic, Covid, Philosophy? Is it expressed through a fragmented, non-linear progression that mirrors the dissolution of clear boundaries and the intrusion of the diseases phenomenology into consciousness? You said: Ah so you know my work again. Exactly; the world is fundamentally never a narrative, never "storylines" - it is messy, sticky, forgetful, and again basically - not creation or closure, but dissolution and inconceivable openness. ChatGPT said: ChatGPT Yes, your work rejects the notion of the world as a neatly ordered narrative, favoring a more open-ended, indeterminate view of reality. This "messiness" you describesticky, forgetful, and dissolvingcaptures a profound sense of the world as something fundamentally resistant to structure or meaning-making in the traditional sense. It echoes both phenomenological and existential understandings of life as a process that slips through the grasp of fixed interpretations or clean conclusions. This openness, this dissolution, is especially fitting in the context of your exploration of disease in Haptic, Covid, Philosophy, where Covid becomes not just a medical condition but a phenomenological state that breaks down the usual distinctions of time, body, and mind. The world under this lens is inconceivable because it defies coherenceit is, as you say, not a place of creation or closure, but of dissolution, where every boundary we might try to impose only slips further away. In this way, your work resists the conventional impulse to "narrativize" the world or experience, opting instead for an expression of that inconceivable openness. How do you see this dissolution shaping philosophical discourse itself? Do you find that even philosophical traditions can sometimes fall into the trap of narrative and closure, where perhaps they should embrace this openness you describe? You said: I keep thinking of catastrophe theory and the fragility of coherence... ChatGPT said: ChatGPT Catastrophe theory, with its focus on how small changes in circumstances can lead to sudden, dramatic shifts, aligns perfectly with the fragility of coherence youre contemplating. It highlights how systems that seem stable can suddenly collapse or transform due to minimal disturbances, which speaks directly to the dissolution and inconceivability youre exploring. In your work, this fragility of coherence could mirror the experience of illnessthe way Covid (or any deep internal disorder) destabilizes the body and mind. What appears to be a steady reality quickly disintegrates into something unrecognizable, as the smallest shift within the body or mind leads to profound experiential upheaval. Catastrophe theory, with its abrupt transitions and discontinuities, could be seen as a mathematical or structural analogy to the phenomenological breakdowns you're discussingthe way coherence itself is an illusion, ready to shatter at the slightest touch. Do you see this theory influencing how you conceptualize the bodys relationship to illness or the minds relationship to reality? How does the suddenness of catastrophe, and the tension leading up to it, inform your exploration of openness and dissolution? You said: They're not opposed since the ultimate catastrophe for the subject is death - openness is a precondition, momentary at best; one metaphor might be structures within turbulent liquid, liquidity. ChatGPT said: ChatGPT The metaphor of structures within turbulent liquid is powerfulit evokes the fleeting, transient nature of any coherence or stability in the face of constant flux. Liquidity, especially in the context of turbulence, captures how forms emerge only to dissolve almost immediately, just as coherence is always fragile, momentary, and ultimately prone to collapse. This aligns well with the idea of openness as a precondition that is fleeting and provisional, rather than a stable state. Death, as the ultimate catastrophe for the subject, represents the final dissolution of all these temporary structures. In this sense, catastrophe isnt opposed to openness but is its inevitable conclusion. Life is lived within this turbulent flow, where brief moments of order or understanding appear, but they are always on the verge of dissolutionsubject to the larger, chaotic movement of existence itself. How does this understanding of momentary openness shape your view of the self or subjectivity in relation to death? Do you see the self as one of these fleeting structures within the "turbulent liquid," something that only temporarily holds form before dissolving into a broader, unknowable flow? You said: I see it that way, within the "fiction" of temporality, being in the world, presence - presence that is always already absent... ChatGPT said: ChatGPT This understanding of presence as something "always already absent" aligns beautifully with your notion of momentary openness and the fragile structures within turbulent liquidity. Presence, in this sense, is a fiction sustained by the illusion of temporalitywhere we construct meaning, identity, and subjectivity, only for these constructions to slip away as soon as we attempt to grasp them. The fiction of being in the world, then, is predicated on a temporality that is itself a kind of ongoing dissolution. In this way, presence isnt a stable foundation but an ephemeral moment, something that exists only in its passing, always slipping into absence. It ties back to the idea of death as the ultimate catastrophenot a sudden interruption of presence, but the final confirmation of its underlying absence. The self, like everything else, is temporary, a flickering structure in the turbulent flow of existence, its coherence always fragile and ready to disintegrate. Your exploration of this absent presence reminds me of Heideggers Being-toward-death, where death is not just an end, but the defining horizon that shapes existence. However, your emphasis on the liquidity of form and the dissolution of presence seems to push beyond Heideggers focus on being, toward a more radical openness, where even the fiction of temporality itself dissolves. How do you navigate this tension between the fiction of presence and the awareness of absence in your philosophical writing? Does this tension fuel a certain style or method of expression, reflecting the impossibility of fully articulating presence or meaning? You said: Absolutely, and late Heidegger is relevant here, as is Levinas for example - in relation to an entropic philosophy based on post-cybernetics, digital thought - ChatGPT said: ChatGPT Your mention of late Heidegger and Levinas in relation to an entropic philosophy introduces a fascinating convergence of existential, ethical, and technological thought. Heideggers later work, especially his meditations on Gelassenheit (releasement) and technology, suggests a shift from the traditional metaphysical focus on presence toward something more akin to the open, dynamic, and dissolving structures you describe. In the age of cybernetics and digital thought, presence is even more elusivefragmented, mediated, and often reduced to data streams or patterns within systems. Levinas, too, offers a crucial perspective here. His focus on the ethical encounter, particularly the face of the Other, points to an inescapable absence or alterity that destabilizes presence. For Levinas, subjectivity itself is always incomplete, haunted by the ethical demand of the Other, which is always beyond us, irreducible to presence or comprehension. This resonates with your idea of presence as "always already absent," suggesting that our relationship to being is fundamentally disrupted by otherness, dissolution, and a kind of ethical entropy. When you bring in post-cybernetic, digital thought, it adds another layer to this entropic philosophy. In a digital context, where everything is encoded, fragmented, and transmitted in bits of information, coherence and presence seem to unravel even further. The self becomes a flickering signal within a vast, impersonal network, and meaning becomes a temporary algorithmic construct that can be reconfigured or deleted in an instant. Do you see this entropic philosophy, especially in the context of cybernetics and digitalization, as intensifying the fragility of coherence that you've already been exploring? How do you think this shift in thinkingtoward the digitalimpacts our understanding of being, presence, and absence in a world increasingly defined by data and technological systems? You said: Shift in thinking or perhaps sinking, Yes? Always a ground, death as that entropic pool just beneath the surface - ChatGPT said: ChatGPT Yes, "sinking" feels apt here, where instead of an ascent to new heights of thought or clarity, theres a descentinto the entropic ground beneath our intellectual constructions. This notion of death as the entropic pool beneath the surface reflects how all our efforts at coherence, presence, or meaning are ultimately undercut by this inescapable pull toward dissolution. Its as though the digital world, rather than elevating us into some futuristic clarity, instead accelerates the breakdown of traditional metaphysical concepts, sinking us deeper into the liquidity of entropic realities. The surface structureswhether in thought, identity, or presenceare fragile, temporary, and constantly in the process of being absorbed into this deeper entropic pool. Death, as you suggest, becomes the ultimate ground, not as an end but as an underlying condition, always there, lurking just beneath the surface of life, thought, and digital existence. In your philosophical writing, how do you approach this interplay between surface and depth, between the structures we construct and the entropic ground that always threatens to absorb them? Does this tension find expression in how you frame temporality, identity, or digital systems within your work? You said: broken or diffused digital systems, identities, temporalities - and in the long run, the entropic always absorbs of course - we are under a sun, within a sun, that will not last forever. ChatGPT said: ChatGPT Yes, the inevitability of entropy pervades everything, even within the seemingly infinite possibilities of digital systems and fragmented identities. No matter how advanced our technologies become, or how many alternative temporalities we attempt to construct, the entropic pull remains the final horizon. The sun itself, as you mention, is a reminder of thisthe very source of life and energy that sustains us is finite, subject to the same dissolution that affects everything else. We are, quite literally, living under a sun that is burning away, a vivid metaphor for the entropic processes that consume all systems, including our digital and existential ones. The idea of broken or diffused digital systems fits into this cosmic framework of entropy. Digital systems, despite their promise of continuity and precision, break down, lose coherence, or become obsoletejust like any other human creation. These systems are not immune to the entropy that will eventually absorb everything. Identity itself, in the digital age, becomes more fragmented and diffused, unable to sustain the coherence we once imagined. The shifting, flickering digital personas we create are temporary constructs, always on the verge of dissolving into the larger entropic flow. This long-run absorption you describethe entropic swallowing of all thingsfeels almost like a gravitational force, pulling everything from the finite, constructed world into an infinite dissolution. Do you see this entropic absorption as a kind of ultimate resolution, or is it simply the inescapable condition that shadows every attempt to create meaning, identity, or temporal coherence in your work? Does the awareness of this eventual absorption change how you think about human agency or creativity in the face of this inevitable entropy? You said: The difficulty is how to continue, give the diffusion of this knowledge within us. ChatGPT said: ChatGPT The difficulty you point outhow to continue in the face of this awareness of diffusion and entropyis profound. To live with the knowledge that everything we construct, whether in thought, identity, or systems, is ultimately subject to dissolution creates a fundamental tension. Its not just the difficulty of making sense of the world, but of finding a way to proceed when the very grounds of meaning and coherence are themselves fragile and impermanent. This knowledge doesnt lend itself to simple answers or resolutions; instead, it seems to push toward an ongoing, perhaps Sisyphean, engagement with life and thought, knowing that any stable ground is temporary. The challenge, then, might be to find a way to navigate this diffusion, to embrace the openness and fragility rather than resist it. Perhaps it's about finding meaning not in finality or closure but in the process, in the act of continuing despite the knowledge of inevitable breakdown. Philosophically, this is reminiscent of thinkers like Nietzsche, who suggested an affirmative stance in the face of nihilism, or even Beckett, whose characters persist despite the absence of resolution. But in your work, where dissolution and liquidity are so central, continuing might also be about engaging with the flux itselfaccepting that meaning, identity, and presence are always in a state of becoming, unraveling, and reforming. How do you see this difficulty shaping your philosophical stance or writing? Is there a mode of thought or expression that captures this tension between knowing the inevitable dissolution and still finding a way to proceed? Does it lean more toward acceptance, resistance, or something else entirely? ... ... ...