all good questions. in germany, as i understand it, the law has recently been changed to make it the right of everyone, regardless of whether or not they have an address, to have a bank account. on the surface this sounds like a good thing (especially for artists & others who move around & sometimes need to open an account somewhere just to get paid once, i've had to do this before) but it's really about getting everyone into the system; tracking & controlling. if you are an undocumented person, not having an address won't be the only barrier to getting a bank account, & if the only way you can beg is digitally, then you're screwed ...


On 21.06.2017 13:34, Institute of Network Cultures wrote:
very disturbing indeed. As far as I know the Amsterdam example is still a prototype - surrounded by the usual techno-euphoria. It is funded by ABN Amro bank and designed by N=5 studio.

who owns the infrastructure?
who pays for the upkeep?
how will bank accounts (address needed) and the costs related to this be supplied?
who will capitalise on this new 'disruptive tech’ and who will suffer the tightening margins?
will the money earned be free to use on whatever the homeless person wants, or limited to bed/food?
will the poor be stripped of agency and generally punished for being poor?
etc etc


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On 21 Jun 2017, at 13:09, helen varley jamieson <helen@creative-catalyst.com> wrote:

it's happened already:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/beggars-china-now-accepting-donations-via-mobile-payments-qr-codes-1618396

http://www.odditycentral.com/news/amsterdam-introduces-contactless-payment-jackets-for-beggars.html

i find this all very disturbing; the push for the digitisation of ALL transactions is being driven by banks & IT companies, who stand to make huge profits from it, & governments who will gain incredibly fine-grained information about minute details of our lives - from  where we drank a coffee & with whom to, well, everything that we spend money on. the situation in india last year when the government abruptly withdrew 500 & 1000 rupee notes from circulation - which massively dissadvantaged poor rural people - was more about forced digitisation than about dealing with the black market. the black market is of course already flourishing in the digital world.

living in germany, i've observed that german people are more attached to cash than for example british or new zealanders. there is a respect for cash & a distrust of having everything so documented & trackable. so there is some resistance to it here.

some of us UpStagers are working now on a new performance called "Cash Flow" that is looking at this move to digitisation & what it means. what we lose from not having cash, what we gain, what we should be aware/wary of in this massive shift to how we as individuals live and exchange with one another.

h : )


On 21.06.2017 10:54, aharon wrote:
Hiyas,

Here's a quick question..

Once we get used to not using paper and coin oriented money.. Once the cards and mobile paying methods will be the only way for payments -
how do we give for people begging in the streets? Or performing begging in the streets? Or just singing in the rainy streets for some numerical exchange?

Will beggars have to have a card reading device?
Will they have to pay commissions to visa and such?

Will street begging become not just an outcome of capitalist occupation but also another way for capitalism to squeeze  and monopolise capital out of societies?

Maybe we could have a begging robot that could be rented out for people in need..?


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aharon
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